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Re:European bird populations decrease by a quarter, farming ... by myshpa on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @06:45AM (#35959960)
Pag in Croatia too ... it's called "island of paski cheese" iirc ... it's mostly rocky desert with patches of grass and herds of islands and goats, but leave the island and suddenly the landscape is green and lush.

"Historically, Pag had more forested areas than it does today. The island used to be covered with oak and pine forests, but due to centuries of human activity, including grazing, deforestation, and the collection of firewood, much of the original forest cover has been reduced. Over time, the vegetation has adapted to the island's specific conditions, such as strong winds and limited freshwater sources."

The land is rocky to grow anything on exactly because of those lambs and goats. They don't give the land the change to reforest.

We tend to underestimate the damage that has already been done before we came here.

Re:European bird populations decrease by a quarter, farming ... by myshpa on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @10:06AM (#35962090)
herds of sheep and goats, chance to reforest
Re:European bird populations decrease by a quarter, farming ... by danielheath on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:20AM (#35974871)
> The land is rocky to grow anything on exactly because of those lambs and goats.

Are you suggesting that ruminants transport rocks to the site?

Re:European bird populations decrease by a quarter, farming ... by myshpa on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @03:42PM (#35980233)
Ruminants deplete the vegetation on the land, leading to erosion caused by wind and water, which gradually erodes the top layer of soil, leaving behind only large rocks.
Re:European bird populations decrease by a quarter, farming ... by danielheath on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:47PM (#35983348)
There are ruminants in plenty of other places without the land becoming inhospitable to most plants, though, so that's not a sufficient explanation (although I can clearly see how it contributes).
Re:European bird populations decrease by a quarter, farming ... by myshpa on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:41AM (#35985846)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316721412_Blame_it_...

"The authors analyze archaeological and ecological evidence to understand the relationship between human populations, goat herding, and land degradation. They argue that the widespread adoption of goat herding practices played a significant role in the process of desertification. Goats are known to be browsers, preferring to consume a variety of vegetation, including shrubs and trees. This selective feeding behavior, combined with the increasing human population and expansion of agricultural practices, led to the overgrazing of vegetation and subsequent soil erosion.

The paper highlights that the degradation of vegetation cover and loss of soil fertility had cascading effects on the ecosystem. Reduced vegetation cover resulted in increased exposure of soil to wind and water erosion, leading to the expansion of arid and desert regions. The loss of vegetation also had a detrimental impact on biodiversity, as many plant and animal species dependent on these ecosystems faced habitat destruction and population decline."