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Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by nabla9 on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @06:02AM (#35959672)
It's not a sophisticated way to write.

If you get stuck on words, expressions, or idioms and constantly interpret them wrong, it usually means that you can't parse context well. If the expression "must be allowed" bothers you in this text, your OECD literacy level is most likely below 3.

It's easy to fix if you start reading more books, you start to improve.

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @06:17AM (#35959794)
I don’t mean that it is written in contrived manner. I mean that it is vague. There is no context, there is only a clickbait title.
Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by nabla9 on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @06:21AM (#35959810)
> I mean that it is vague. There is no context, there is only a clickbait title.

If you can't parse the context from the writing, there is no context for you.

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @06:29AM (#35959856)
It seems like you can’t parse the context of my writing and the problem lies way deeper than your level of English.
Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by p_j_w on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @01:37PM (#35965173)
Given that your writing supports the notion that he knew exactly why you said what you said, it seems like he can parse the context of your writing just fine.
Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by RugnirViking on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @07:07AM (#35960130)
you are behaving quite patronising to this guy for no reason. He is challenging the premise of the piece and you are telling him he is too stupid to read the piece at all.

Do you not see the irony here? Commenters, too, should be allowed to have bad takes

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by watwut on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @08:26AM (#35960891)
Challenging the premise of the article based on reading only title while not really understanding the language the title is written on is not actually something praise worthy. If he is a.) not reading article and b.) not understanding normal and common English idiom, then pointing out he should stay away from the discussion is valid.

And that is assuming it is genuine misunderstanding and not, like, typical nerdy "I refuse to actual engage with those idiots from other fields, better just make up something".

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @08:47AM (#35961128)
I criticize the title because it says something vague piggybacking on the idea of freedom to guilt-trip its readers to support a controversial opinion that has barely anything to do with the title in question. And I can only learn the content by clicking on that clickbait title that provides no information.

Well, if it is common in English to refer to the situation when the public opinion about you is allegedly shaped by your last work as "not allowed to make bad work" than indeed I do not know English on the third level of OECD literacy. But that sounds like a very peculiar trait of English, and a very deep ideological commitment incorporated into the language on a level that I couldn't expect.

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by stale2002 on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @02:45PM (#35965955)
> it says something vague piggybacking on the idea of freedom

This is where you are wrong.

It is not based on the idea of freedom. The point of the article, and the title, has nothing to do with whether someone is legally allowed to make bad art, or has some fundamental human rights, that are being infringed on, related to freedom.

Instead, the purpose of the article, and the title, is that because artists are more in the public eye these days, this extra scrutiny on every single piece of work that they do, has anti-creative effects on artists, and this is bad.

The only person who invented a fictional narrative about freedom, was you. The actual point of the title, and the article, was actually pretty obvious though, if you aren't looking for some gotcha.

> that I couldn't expect.

It was actually very easy to understand the article, if you start from the idea of "This article author isn't completely stupid, let me think for a second as to what such a person might be attempting to say, assuming they do not believe the obviously untrue statement that making bad art is illegal".

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @07:01PM (#35968906)
> Instead, the purpose of the article, and the title, is that because artists are more in the public eye these days, this extra scrutiny on every single piece of work that they do, has anti-creative effects on artists, and this is bad.

So, explain what does any of that has to do with “not being allowed” to do something?

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by stale2002 on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @09:15PM (#35970127)
> So, explain what does any of that has to do with “not being allowed"

What it has to do with that, is not that artists are literally prevented by the law from making bad art.

Instead, it is that artists should be able to make bad art, without suffering significant negative consequences from doing so.

So, you should interpret the statement as being "artists must be able to make bad art, without suffering significant negative consequences for doing so"

That is the intent of the title.

This is what "allowed" means in this context.

It means "it must be possible for them to do this, while not suffering significant negative consequences."

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by LudwigNagasena on Tuesday May 16, 2023 @10:05PM (#35970446)
And since we both agree that it has nothing to do with freedom, why do you think it is justified to talk about it as "being allowed to"?
Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by stale2002 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @12:30AM (#35971261)
> why do you think it is justified

Because by "allowed to" what it means is "to be able to do so, without suffering significant negative consequences."

So, that would be the definition of "allowed to" that is being referred to, which is both true and justified.

Re:Artists must be allowed to make bad work by watwut on Saturday May 20, 2023 @09:21AM (#36011724)
Because that is how English language works.