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Re:IRS tests free e-filing system that could compete with ta... by ericmay on Monday May 15, 2023 @02:34PM (#35952603)
In the case of taxes in the United States this doesn’t really follow because if the government says you owe $x.xx then you have to go through the bureaucracy either way to either pay or dispute the charge. For most people (simple wage earner) TurboTax and other software is just an additional regulatory tax and no different than the government except that it takes money from citizens.

A government has a monopoly on taxation by definition or else it can’t be a government so calling it a public monopoly doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Re:IRS tests free e-filing system that could compete with ta... by siftrics on Monday May 15, 2023 @03:04PM (#35953044)
ethbr0 is referring to monopolies enforced by law for private companies; they're not trying to point out the government itself is a monopoly.
Re:IRS tests free e-filing system that could compete with ta... by ethbr0 on Monday May 15, 2023 @03:23PM (#35953285)
The difference is that if the IRS provided the only filing solution AND adjudicated taxes, there'd be no adversarial tension.

Right now, the IRS is forced to establish some sort of data interchange format and adjudicate incoming tax filings equally, because they're required to work with TurboTax et al. (even if only required from a practical standpoint).

If they also provided the only filing solution, that pressure would be gone.

IMHO, the best possible outcome is definitely IRS-supplied free file + private options, if users would like. Keeps everyone honest and on their toes.

Re:IRS tests free e-filing system that could compete with ta... by lazide on Monday May 15, 2023 @04:08PM (#35953786)
Huh? What adversarial tension is needed for filing?

It’s literally data entry.

Tax prep/accounting (what to put where for cases where there is ambiguity) can always be different.

That doesn’t apply to W2 earners though (in 99% of cases)

Re:IRS tests free e-filing system that could compete with ta... by ethbr0 on Monday May 15, 2023 @06:59PM (#35955664)
Free filing would by definition be both, as people using it would be unlikely to have separate tax prep services.

Ergo, imagine there's a checkbox option that would apply to 25% of free filers to save them money. How would the IRS free file handle that from a UX perspective? What are their incentives?

Alternatively, suppose a feature used by 10% of filers is broken for the current tax year. How long does it take to get fixed?

Current private solutions are incentivized to optimize those ("We save you the most money!") and fix them ("Our software isn't broken").

And because only the data transfers over to the IRS, all the prep optimization can be done independent of the IRS.

Some of the incentive concerns would be alleviated by (as this did) building this from a different branch of government (e.g. US-DS).

But at the end of the day, it's still the government telling you how much to pay the government. Or as the joke went about the 1040-EZ: "How much money did you make? Good. Give it to us."

Re:IRS tests free e-filing system that could compete with ta... by lazide on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:58PM (#36004943)
You are correct, and I hate it ! Hahaha, sigh.