Your position is reasonable, though I think that we will find that a lot of places that don't have grids will be just fine without them in the future. For those of us that have already invested heavily in them in the last century, we will probably continue to use them, but in many cases they will greatly raise the cost of energy as we rely on them rather than cheaper alternatives. Though we do see some "non-wires alternatives" already in the US, which are places where storage is beating out building more grid, the incentive model for most utilities will favor them building unnecessary and expensive grid infrastructure instead of the best option for ratepayers. It's going to take very vigilant advocacy groups to force regulators to hold utilities to make better decisions.
Re:Off-grid solar brings light, time and income to remotest ...
by deepmauka on Monday May 15, 2023 @01:37AM
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My home in the wet tropics is solar powered. A small array of eight 325w panels supports 3 people, a regular AC refrigerator, electric kettle, electric hotplate, washer/dryer, and continuously running ceilings fans for moisture. In periods of cloud cover we still generate some power, we just switch to propane cooking and being frugal with our power budget. Solar is a no brainer in the tropics.
Re:Off-grid solar brings light, time and income to remotest ...
by pyrale on Monday May 15, 2023 @03:56AM
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What is your storage setup?
Re:Off-grid solar brings light, time and income to remotest ...
by epistasis on Monday May 15, 2023 @10:36AM
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I think misinterpretted your comment, as well as make a serious error when I said "vast majority" rather than "vast chunk" of energy is wasted.
As I said in another comment, once people can afford a better lifestyle, they aren't remotely likely to choose to keep living the worse one.
On the other hand, I too am a fan of solar and electricity. I completely buy the solar + storage + grid is sufficient for a western lifestyle. I'm not arguing against solar, I'm arguing against lack of grid, that connecting houses, towns, and cities together can save more money on storage than it costs to run the wires. You want to plan for very-close-to-worst generation + storage >= very-close-to-worst-case load over all time frames, and grids smooth over variations in both generation and load, which makes the worst cases go way down, which means that that equation requires a lot less storage (not none, but less).
Incidentally I also think that "solar + wind + storage + grid" is an even better combination... and that wind power only works with a grid (because the scaling rules around them mean you want giant wind turbines that put out enough power for many houses)... but even with only solar grids just make too much sense.