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Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by sitkack on Sunday May 14, 2023 @01:12PM (#35939473)
The doc is too short and not puffy to be a normal google doc. There is a high likelihood this was placed to proactively shake off any regulation or scruitiny while they get the deck chairs in order.

They might not appear to have a moat, but they definitely have an advantage that they can keep for 5+ years. They also have a "copy of the internet" that no one else does.

Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by akiselev on Sunday May 14, 2023 @01:36PM (#35939689)
What are the chances that their copy is more useful than CommonCrawl? It’s been the target of SEO for decades - are they even capable of separating the good content from the crap anymore?

Google may already be terminal

Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by sitkack on Sunday May 14, 2023 @01:47PM (#35939799)
Data pollution isn't the problem it is made out to be. You can even use a model trained on garbage data to relabel the original set and retrain.

Google of all companies is sitting on exaflops of TPU capacity, they can retrain models larger than anyone else, faster than anyone else.

Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by visarga on Sunday May 14, 2023 @06:33PM (#35941958)
I agree, but it would probably require to use LLMs to filter or augment the raw text. They can afford it.
Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by chaxor on Sunday May 14, 2023 @05:50PM (#35941641)
Their data may not be that much better; however Deepmind is still one of the best institutions that study AI fundamentals. OpenAI works hard and focused towards products, but the academic research is far better from Deepmind. So since Google hasn't been trying to put any AI into products really at all for the past 10 years, they're going to have to push a little bit to make the public facing interfaces and put polish on things, but the underlying models they have made are far better than OpenAI (just not the ones made publicly accessible to anyone).
Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by visarga on Sunday May 14, 2023 @06:32PM (#35941947)
They have no model on par with GPT-4.
Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by chaxor on Sunday May 14, 2023 @07:28PM (#35942293)
I would heavily disagree with that - the only reason that you think that is that GPT-4 is available to the public for cheap, whereas Deepminds models have not been released publicly.
Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by fomine3 on Monday May 15, 2023 @02:48AM (#35944582)
For websites that blocks all robots.txt-compliant bots except Google, Bing and some, Googlebots can crawl but CommonCrawl bots can't
Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by UncleMeat on Sunday May 14, 2023 @02:19PM (#35940062)
> The doc is too short and not puffy to be a normal google doc.

Loads of internal position papers read exactly like this. I've written docs that write like this.

Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by sitkack on Sunday May 14, 2023 @09:52PM (#35943071)
They also have "all of youtube" when it comes to video based learning. And GCS and Gmail, Google's moat is actually enormous.
Re:What does a leaked Google memo reveal about the future of... by candiodari on Monday May 15, 2023 @07:41AM (#35946619)
The points raised in the paper are that

1) algorithmic improvements beat processing capacity. One of the examples in the paper was that $100 in training compute budget was enough to get within 2% of Google Bard performance

2) data quality (even for "tiny" data sizes) beats dataset size in improvements

Hence both aspects of the moat of large companies (dataset size and available compute) matter less than you'd expect.

In contrast the advantage of "open source"/academics/"the market", the many warm bodies trying out new strategies, yields improvements at a rapid pace that Google, even with a huge team, cannot match.