Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by thephyber on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:38AM (#35926687)

I almost had to sit for a jury trial. Guy stole things worth less than $950, was likely homeless, the prosecution took 22 months to build a case and failed to leverage a plea bargain, named about 30 law enforcement officers and/or forensics specialists as potential witnesses, and jury selection started with 100 citizens and took 4+ days, then the judge claimed it would take 6 weeks to try the case.

The problem isn’t just insurance. It’s that prosecution is insanely slow and is far more harmful to society than the actual crime.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by giantg2 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @11:14AM (#35929156)

"and is far more harmful to society than the actual crime."

I doubt the victims see it that way. If we just let people steal, it can turn into a runaway chain reaction due to a lack of consequences.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by naijaboiler on Saturday May 13, 2023 @11:37AM (#35929398)

That's not how society works.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by esyir on Saturday May 13, 2023 @02:00PM (#35930907)

That is exactly how society works.

If people work for my living and see someone just steal for theirs with absolutely no consequence, what they learn is that social dysfunction is optimal, and that doing otherwise is being a chump.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by gentoo on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:51PM (#35932582)

how about we build a robust social safety net so that stealing less than $1000 worth of stuff is not the best way to survive

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by giantg2 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @07:20PM (#35933763)

Please re-read your parent. Same concept here. If you make it that comfortable, then why work? Keep in mind that there will always be people who want things the programs won't provide that they're literally willing to kill for - drugs, the newest iPhone, in-style basketball shoes, etc.

Now, I do agree in a parallel way, but with a different solution. If we fix structural problems preventing people from being, or having hope of being, productive members of society, than that can prevent some crime.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by apple4ever on Saturday May 13, 2023 @09:00PM (#35934357)

If that's what you want to try, okay that's fine. But do that first, not second. It helps neither side to do it second.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by rini17 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @01:16PM (#35930433)

You imply that if you were the victim, watching such byzantine process to recover mere hundreds of dollars would feel satisfying to you?

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by giantg2 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @07:12PM (#35933722)

No, but the idea that there are disincentives for others to make me a repeat victim is nice.

"mere hundreds of dollars"

This is incredibly insensitive. That's a lot of money to lose to many people.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by rini17 on Sunday May 14, 2023 @11:40AM (#35938790)

It also results in a disincentives for all parties involved to invest all the time and effort. You could either convince everyone that "don't be insensitive it's a lot of money for them", or you could try to make the process easier.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by giantg2 on Sunday May 14, 2023 @01:34PM (#35939673)

That's not what was suggested. The suggestion was to simply not prosecute a theft of about $900.

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Re:Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts by rini17 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:58AM (#35972085)

Yes the disincentive, right here in plain view.

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