News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by slily on Friday May 12, 2023 @05:16PM (#35922526)
The links you posted are inflammatory nonsense that try to draw a line between concern over mainstream media coverage of race and crime and "fascism". It's contrived at best.

Are the statistics wrong? Is it wrong to say that media coverage is slanted and focuses on the minority of racist white-on-black crime while ignoring the reverse? Seems like this is all fairly well documented. Slapping slurs on the posts that point that out and calling for the posters to be "cancelled" or suppressed by calling them "dangerous" - that, if anything, strikes me as fascistic.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by d23 on Friday May 12, 2023 @06:07PM (#35923100)
> The links you posted are inflammatory nonsense

What? They are screenshots of his responses!

> Are the statistics wrong?

They have been purposefully stripped of context and misrepresented to imply that black people are more violent than white people. The author literally worked backwards from the originally expressed percentages to deceive! It's not the statistics that are wrong, it's the way they've been presented.

Over the last 10+ years on this site, I have mostly found this to be one of the higher quality places for discussion on the internet, but occasionally over the last few years I have questioned whether this is the right place for me. The responses to this have once again made me rethink whether this community is one I want to be a part of.

I am genuinely revolted.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by slily on Friday May 12, 2023 @06:24PM (#35923266)
Please be specific, the vague accusations and appeal to emotion are not conducive to a grounded high-quality discussion.

What context is missing? What is being misrepresented? And what is wrong with reposting those statistics, calling them concerning, and expressing the idea that media coverage of it is unbalanced? You linked to posts that connect this to fascism instead of to the original tweets, so I assume your thinking is in line with that, but you're not giving us much to go off of, so we're spinning our wheels.

From my standpoint, it looks like Elon Musk is not happy that American mainstream media covers white-on-black racism and homicides disproportionately. I can't see what's wrong with the statistics he reposted, or his concerns. I can only assume that you're attributing an entirely different conclusion to him, even though none of those tweets seem to support that if you take them at face value.

Sorry if you feel revolted that there's been a shift in culture away from calling people racist over loose associations or things that they didn't say ("dog whistles"). I'm feeling optimistic myself.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by d23 on Friday May 12, 2023 @07:10PM (#35923670)
I have already linked you to a perfectly good explanation of (https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1655948197129494532). Somehow this is "inflammatory nonsense".

> I can't see what's wrong with the statistics he reposted, or his concerns.

This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works. This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works. This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works. This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works. This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works. This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works. This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works. This is the problem. It's designed to manipulate people like you, and it works.

Edit: Ah, I get it now. Surprise surprise, I had to go a whopping three hours back to find you defending the chief white surpremacist propagandist in this country and saying actually the racism isn't really that bothersome to you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35921468

Climate change denier too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35866992 Weird!

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by dang on Sunday May 14, 2023 @03:29PM (#35940677)
Could you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? and please not use HN for ideological battle, regardless of what you're battling for or against? You've unfortunately been doing these things a lot lately. They're not what the site is for, and they destroy what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by dang on Sunday May 14, 2023 @03:32PM (#35940697)
It looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here and we ban accounts that do it, regardless of what they're battling for or against, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by concordDance on Friday May 12, 2023 @07:36PM (#35923853)
Are you questioning whether this is the right place for you based more on quality of discourse or on the leanings of the views expressed?

I must confess the quality of discourse seems to have gone down over the last few years. Feels like we've had a migration from reddit.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by d23 on Friday May 12, 2023 @07:49PM (#35923935)
> Are you questioning whether this is the right place for you based more on quality of discourse or on the leanings of the views expressed?

Both. I am uninterested in hanging out with the 13/52 crowd.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by concordDance on Friday May 12, 2023 @07:55PM (#35923975)
Having looked up what that means: am I missing something or is it the case that you don't want to interact with people who mention facts that can be used to support unpleasant narratives?

Because if so, that seems like a way of ending up with a very biased view of the world... while the murder ratio fact might be old news to you and something that shouldn't be dwelled on, there's bound to be one of the 10,000[1] just learning it for the first time and sometimes you'd be one of those 10,000 unless you cut yourself off from it.

[1] https://xkcd.com/1053/

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by d23 on Friday May 12, 2023 @08:05PM (#35924040)
You are missing that this is one of many racist signalers and memes white supremacists and nazis use to justify their hatred. They're based on incomplete and misleading statistics designed to manipulate people without critical thinking skills.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by concordDance on Friday May 12, 2023 @08:18PM (#35924134)
The best solution there seems to be teaching people critical thinking, statistics and how to look things up tbh... rather than cutting them off from these sorts of figures.

(I've personally been advocating that for a decade to anyone who'll sit still for a minute)