Why longtermism is the world’s most dangerous secular credo

Re:Why longtermism is the world’s most dangerous secular credo by jmyeet on Thursday May 11, 2023 @03:40PM (#35907382)

Communism predates Marx (to the 18th century) and differs from socialism. Both seek to have labor own the means of production but communism also concerns itself with consumption (Marx: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs").

But really what you're talking about is what's called Marxist-Leninism as crafted by the Bolshevik in Russia in 1917 and beyond.

But what Marx is really known for is creating an analytical framework to be able to discuss these things. Abraham Lincoln's views on this pretty closely match Marx's, as an aside.

> ... those ended up being worse than the capitalist ones.

You really want to start comparing communist outcomes against Western colonialism and imperialism? The slave trade? And you can rightfully say a bunch of bad things about Stalin but he'll always get credit for killing Nazis and defeating Hitler (at an absolutely horrendous cost, as an aside).

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Re:Why longtermism is the world’s most dangerous secular credo by goatlover on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:27PM (#35907934)

Mao and Pol Pot don't get credit. Colonialism predates capitalism. Imperialism is something empires have historically done, regardless of the economic system. Slavery existed in the ancient world. How about capitalism in the 20th century compared to communism?

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