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Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by acdha on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @08:38PM (#35895701)
That's a lazy rationalization which doesn't even make sense — either way you're getting the exact same sandwich, it's just a question of whether you pay for it directly or by watching ads.

This also doesn't make any sense from the negative way you're describing it: you're eating at Cockroach Joe's every day so clearly you don't really believe the food is bad. If you're using YouTube now, any negative which you can possibly imagine is already happening: they're tracking what you watch and where you watch it from, they're telling advertisers what kind of devices you use as a proxy for your likely spending habits, etc. There's a 0% chance they do that less when it's their only option to make money to cover your usage costs!

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by Ygg2 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:04PM (#35895917)
> That's a lazy rationalization which doesn't even make sense — either way you're getting the exact same sandwich, it's just a question of whether you pay for it directly or by watching ads.

It's an imperfect analogy. But point remains. Some places can offer bad and good experiences side by side, and have a long reputation of shitting up a few good products over time.

> eating at Cockroach Joe's every day so clearly you don't really believe the food is bad.

No. I know some X is bad, and some Y is good. It doesn't mean I hate X, I hate X that such and such makes.

It's like that scene in Spaceballs. Don't order the menu special.

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by acdha on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:00PM (#35896795)
If you think it’s a bad experience, why do you keep going? The fact that you’re concerned about avoiding ads means you must find the content interesting and that means you should pay for what you use, either directly or indirectly.
Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by cubancigar11 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:49PM (#35897165)
Because it is designed for addiction? Is that up for debate? YouTube is top result because it is owned by Google. This is a standard business model.

People bet into slot machines. Put an entry fee into a room full of slot machines and see for yourself how many people come to play.

The only way for a casino to make sure people pay to play a slot machines is to keep a free entry option that is gets annoying quickly. It is creation of a problem to justify a paid solution. Ad blockers solve that problem for free and have to be blocked.

And people who are addicted to slot machines have their own favorite games that they play all day long. They might pay at a chance to play. Youtube doesn't actually want to have a competitor at the same time.

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by acdha on Thursday May 11, 2023 @06:42AM (#35900315)
If you actually believe that you should be blocking YouTube, not just the ads. The excuses in this thread are like arguing that it’s okay to sneak into a casino’s free buffet because the gambling industry has plenty of money and is bad for people.
Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by Ygg2 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:03PM (#35904999)
Problem is, if you want videos Youtube is most likely your only option. TikTok hosts only 5min snippets, it's better (or worse) at addiction explotation. Vimeo doesn't host videos you probably want. Nebula (and other subsrcibe services) are great but what if I want a conference talks?

To torture the analogy. This isn't sneaking in the free buffet. It's the option of only free buffet in casino offering stuff you aren't allergic to. But then forcing you to play some strip poker to get in. Sure you can pay to get in, but what guarantees I have they won't force gambling on paying customers or further deterioration of the free experience?

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by acdha on Thursday May 11, 2023 @05:28PM (#35908613)
In other words, YouTube is giving you something you value but you don’t to follow the terms of the agreement. Just be honest and say that rather than trying to invent these weird narratives to try to make it sound more noble than freeloading.
Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by mike741 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @06:44PM (#35909351)
"In other words" why not address their actual words? Youtube is giving us something we value, but that does not justify any given demand Youtube comes up with. There's nothing noble about blindly accepting the terms of a monopoly.
Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by acdha on Thursday May 11, 2023 @08:22PM (#35910246)
YouTube is not a monopoly and you can easily live a perfectly happy, normal life not using it if you hate ads that intensely or, since you clearly like it quite a bit and are not willing to consider alternatives, pay 1-2 coffees per month.
Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by cubancigar11 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @11:37PM (#35911590)
Since you took the liberty to replace slot machines with "casino's free buffet" - an especially disingenuous misrepresentation - I mean do you want to say that people go to casino for food, and when I specifically avoided using the word casino... Can I go ahead and say that you all are acting like addicts being called out? I mean, did I use say we should block YouTube?

Talk about the "lengths" people go to defend their addiction. This is my general impression of the lot here on HN. You guys are so deep into cult of bullshitting that normal argument feels like an attack and invites downvotes.

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by Ygg2 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @05:29AM (#35899800)
Many things can cause you to go to same place. Lack of meaningful choice, not being able to afford anything better, etc.

But YT premium on itself is bad value. I can replicate most of its value with... An ad blocker.

Why should I pay Google to solve problems it creates for me? That's just incentives them making more problems. Maybe they will add a solve a captcha every 5 min if not on Premium.

And lastly YT isn't above ruining it as well (see premium ads). History (see cable) teaches us, ads on premium is a matter of time.

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by deafpolygon on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:38PM (#35897089)
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Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by Ygg2 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @02:50PM (#35931430)
This guy Spaceballs.
Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by monksy on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:05PM (#35895925)
Would you pay for a $60 steak at McDonald's? Without reviews, seeing it, etc?
Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by actuator on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:25PM (#35896090)
- You can try premium

- It is not $60 steak equivalent. More like it is the price of McDonalds burger itself.

- It is not an untested product. You are getting an option to pay for the burger and eat it, rather than watch a 30 min ad to eat it for free.

People will hate Google/FB ad model and at the same time also not pay for a paid tier that removes the ads.

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by DashAnimal on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:43PM (#35896233)
YouTube Premium is my most loved subscription, for what it's worth. I don't even use the Music element, but if I did that would be another reason. While all other subscriptions I pause on and off waiting for content, YouTube has always had solid stuff -- from mindless good stuff, content reviews, learning household chores, to full-on lectures/talks from Universities/Conferences.

If you're getting served McDonalds at the world's largest buffet, it's because that is what you enjoy.

Re:YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers by acdha on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @10:56PM (#35896770)
Where are you getting steak from? YouTube premium is the exact same content you like only paid for directly instead of by advertisers. You must already be watching stuff on YouTube and enjoying it because otherwise you wouldn’t care about whether it has ads.