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Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by steveBK123 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @10:10AM (#35887623)
Digital photography kind of was like this. The operational costs (film, development) were eliminated but the capital cost (cameras) were 5x higher and needed updating more often.

A serious amateur could shoot the same film body for a decade, or even a life, with maybe some regular maintenance (fairly repairable right up through cameras made in 80s and even 90s). Maybe they had a manual focus body, then an autofocus body, and.. that was about it. The camera you were using was probably re-sellable at a decent price because the production life of any given model could run up to a decade.

With digital, the leaps & bounds being made in tech caused camera purchases to be much more frequent. Say every 2 years in 2000s, every 3-4 years in 2010s, and every 4-5 years in 2020s, as the rate of change did eventually slow. Regardless, the camera body also became practically disposable, basically a write-off if damaged, and resale value plummeted due to the rate of advancement.

As it worked out, if you were a heavy shooter, maybe the operational cost going to $0 actually netted you out on the equipment spend.

Most light hobbyists and general vacations/weddings/birthdays sharpshooter ended up spending far more in the digital era. This lasted right up until iPhones became good enough, even indoors poorly lit, that most normies don't own a single camera (5~10 years back).

Camera makers have adjusted to this new world by moving up-market, with less frequent releases, but at higher and higher price points. They understand that their main market now is hobbyists, and the decision to spend $$ vs 0 to enter the hobby is a bigger decision than spending $3k or $1.5k on a body.

Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by Finnucane on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @10:34AM (#35887981)
>A serious amateur could shoot the same film body for a decade,

The oldest camera I have still in working condition is a mid-1950s vintage Speed Graphic.

Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by potta_coffee on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:03AM (#35888407)
I have several working cameras from the 40's and 50's and two fantastic Pentax cameras from the 60's and 70's respectively. The newer Pentax is a K1000 that I've had completely refurbished and it works like it just came out of the box.
Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by kjs3 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @12:59PM (#35890105)
Yup. My Cannon AE-1 from the mid-70s still works great, including the (relatively primitive) electronics. And the lenses are outstanding (I still haven't forgiven Cannon for obsoleting the FD mount pre-digital...lots of money went into that lens collection). It could probably use a light refurb, but all the camera repair shops I know closed years ago.

Unfortunately, I got out of the 'habit' of taking pictures with it because it's so much less convenient and the alternatives are 'good enough' for this rank amateur. I do occasionally look at photos I took with it and realize how much I've replaced quality with quantity. The Cannon required a certain amount of thought for each picture, whereas now we just take 50 pix with the cell phone and share out the one we think looks best.

Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by potta_coffee on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @01:36PM (#35890643)
I really like the "slowness" of the old way of taking pictures. The results are better. Really I stopped because film is so anachronistic and expensive / inconvenient to deal with. I have a DSLR that's decent but it's still not the same.
Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by giantrobot on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @12:29PM (#35889685)
Digital photography democratized photography in ways digital theater projection didn't/couldn't. Digital projection lowered operational costs for studios significantly and theaters marginally. It didn't do anything for consumers. They got a marginally better experience at the same or higher ticket and concession prices.

Digital photography however opened the field to whole swaths of people. The operational cost of photography was a major blocker for a lot of people. The operational cost of a film camera can be integer multiples of its purchase cost. Acceptable digital cameras after about 2000 cost more than shitty 110mm cameras but about what a midrange film camera did but then had effectively zero operational cost. The cost of acceptable quality point & shoots decreased significantly in the first half of the 00s.

This got cameras in people's hands that would have never been able to afford to shoot film.

Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by steveBK123 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @04:30PM (#35893052)
I don't think "democratized photography" is strictly the correct interpretation. It lowered the marginal cost of a photograph to $0, and so people took many many many more photos.

But certainly in 2000, anyone buying a $400+ point&shoot digicam also owned a $2000 computer. Far more expensive against the typical era family vacation/birthday/wedding shooter with a $200ish camera, plus $9 film&dev per 36 shots. These typical users took maybe 5-12 rolls/year so there really weren't any savings there. Most of these people weren't shooting SLRs, but like a Canon Sure Shot.

I distinctly remember switching BACK to film for years in college around this era because film SLR equivalent was absurdly cheap compared to buying even an APS-C DSLR.

Re:Running a Movie Theater Is More Expensive Than You Can Po... by giantrobot on Thursday May 11, 2023 @05:49PM (#35908862)
I think "democratized photography" is a perfectly cromulent statement to make. The cost of the PC is immaterial. People already had a PC for e-mail and porn. The average PC cost was also below $1000, not $2000. Even if they never bought a camera they still had a PC for e-mail and porn.

Photography got democratized because two different groups went digital: the 12-roll-per-year shooters and people that would never pay $10 a roll to get film developed. By 2000 there were 1-2MP point & shoots for $400 and just two years later such cameras were under $150. By the middle of the decade that would get 4-5MP (with a better overall sensor) and 10MP by the end of the decade (with yet better sensors).

Both groups were well served by the advantages of digital. They had a big viewfinder and could review photos on the camera. The 12-roll-a-year crowd could take a year's worth of photos at a single event. The new-camera-owner set could take only a handful of photos and not feel guilty for "wasting" their camera. Both groups could shoot trivial things they'd never waste film on.

Anecdata:

I got interested in photography around 99/00. The marginal cost of film ended up being prohibitive to me. I could barely afford to take enough photos to just learn the ins and outs of my camera. I then got a cheap digital point & shoot. It was 1.3MP and pretty much garbage quality optics. I used the everloving shit out of it and really learned how to use it. I learned to frame shots and to effectively use lighting. Just the fact I could take dozens of photos on a pair of rechargeable AA batteries just let me practice and experiment.