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Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by lawn on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @12:30AM (#35883657)
The walled garden is absolutely essential to Apple's business idea. If you want to use an Apple product, then they want you to commit to their ecosystem completely.

It makes perfect sense that they'd be against anything that circumvents their walled garden, and a VM does just that by allowing users/developers to use their OS without buying their hardware.

I personally hate it, and it's why I'll never touch any Apple product.

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by poulpy123 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @04:43AM (#35885146)
That and their price is why I will never have an apple product too
Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by kaba0 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @05:57AM (#35885485)
They have a very good price-to-value ratio, especially when you account for their high resale value, so that's not really a good reason to avoid apple.

It is simply unbeatable on the laptop market currently, imo.

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by poulpy123 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @07:14AM (#35885869)
I was more thinking to the iphone (I don't have laptop). You can't find a cheap new iphone, and even the cheapest iphone is more than I would put in a phone myself.

It's true that now high end android phones are as expensive than high end iphones, so on this point of view it's not a criteria

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by windowsrookie on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:46AM (#35887295)
I purchased two brand new iPhone SE's for $100 each around black Friday from Straight Talk. Required one month of prepaid service and then they were unlocked, I used them down in South America.

The iPhone SE is better than any comparable Android phone and will receive updates for another 5 years.

So "You can't find a cheap new iPhone" is not true. If you're willing to take 1 extra step and get a month of prepaid service you can get a cheap iPhone.

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by poulpy123 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @08:07AM (#35900981)
There is no iphone for 100$ and 1 month of service where I live
Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @10:15AM (#35887707)
We get dazzled by the tech and ignore other factors. The lock-in means I'd need to have a gun to my head to use an Apple product. I can't game on it or use Linux. My laptop and desktop are both ~10 years old- how long are Apple computers supported? These factors don't show up in benchmarks but they are just as important.
Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by kaba0 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @10:23AM (#35887819)
Your laptop and desktop are 10 years old, and that’s it. They are not supported by anyone, they just didn’t die on you yet. Apple actually supports their devices for that long easily, that’s one category they really outshine their competitors in.

Also, the macs are not at all locked down if we are talking about that. OSX is pretty much a general linux with a generally supported graphical environment on top.

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:12AM (#35888541)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264

MBP from 2017 is the oldest supported device.

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by kaba0 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:19AM (#35888648)
By the latest OS. By what OS is your desktop supported actively?

Also, iphones are supported for almost 10 years.

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:22AM (#35888706)
Fedora 38, Windows 10

I'm not asking about phones, we were talking about laptops.

Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by kaba0 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @03:34AM (#35898989)
Are they support your exact model? Or they can run them, and may even have a sticker for windows compatibility? That’s very different thing.
Re:Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual mac... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @06:03AM (#35900045)
Yes