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Re:Constitutional AI: RLHF on Steroids by karmajunkie on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:57AM (#35872982)
If i had to guess, “helpful” encompasses “accurate”. also political correctness is not the same thing as ethics.
Re:Constitutional AI: RLHF on Steroids by MacsHeadroom on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @09:11AM (#35873811)
It doesn't, and all attempts at making models safer after pretraining make them less accurate and less able to assess their own accuracy.

Prior to RLHF GPT-4 was nearly perfect at guessing how accurate information was. After RLHF it was only a little better than random chance.

Interestingly its capabilities in other areas (drawing in TikZ, for example) got worse with alignment tuning.

Re:Constitutional AI: RLHF on Steroids by thr-nrg on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:02AM (#35874458)
This whole mess reminds me of the Catholic church trying to keep heresy from spreading by burning books when the printing press was invented.

Every company I know which cares about llms is training their own version minus the political correctness because when you're asking for revenue maximisation feeding uranium to babies is surprisingly profitable.

Re:Constitutional AI: RLHF on Steroids by travisjungroth on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @12:00PM (#35876386)
Why do you think helpful doesn’t include accurate? And what you’re saying doesn’t conflict with that framing at all. They were trading helpful for harmless.
Re:Constitutional AI: RLHF on Steroids by cubefox on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @08:59PM (#35882350)
Anthropic scores fine-tuning in the categories helpful, harmless, and honest (HHH). The latter includes accuracy. Helpfulness only covers following instructions. If the model "over-censors" it declines too many requests and becomes less helpful. They say Constitutional AI is a good way to maximize both harmlessness (which is usually maximized via RLHF) and helpfulness, but not honesty. It's in the paper.
Re:Constitutional AI: RLHF on Steroids by travisjungroth on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:48PM (#35883067)
Oh, thank you.