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Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by Finnucane on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:54PM (#35866927)
Goldbugs like deflation. Goldbugs like gold. Practical economic usefulness is not a consideration.
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by quantified on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:58PM (#35866976)
This is Texas. Why gold and not barrels of oil?
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by JumpCrisscross on Monday May 08, 2023 @05:18PM (#35867207)
> Why gold and not barrels of oil?

Oil is perishable.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by bediger4000 on Monday May 08, 2023 @05:05PM (#35867059)
So just a strong belief in some superstitions? Seems really odd.
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by JohnFen on Monday May 08, 2023 @05:11PM (#35867132)
Texas is a pretty odd place.
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by hakfoo on Monday May 08, 2023 @11:27PM (#35869851)
I suspect there are three flavours of gold bugs:

1) Wealthy + Paranoid + Stupid. They'd rather keep their money in sovereigns under their mattress, than put it into any sort of productive economic activity. On a long term, especially in the US, you could pretty much throw darts and build a portfolio that competes with, or beats, inflation.

2) Conspirational: "fiat currency is a grand scheme to undermine our savings for (insert nefarious bugaboo of the day)"

3) Arguably a subset of 2) but Apocalypse Enthusiast. "When civilization crumbles, the obvious trade unit won't be something like grain, alcohol, or bullets, but my bags full of low-grade silver dimes! I'll be King of the Wasteland!"

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by brnaftr361 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @12:57AM (#35870321)
Couldn't we bifurcate it, though?

I mean, I'm fucked. I've effectively lost between 10-20% of my purchasing power out of what ultimately equates to a relatively small sum in the first place because my time horizon was pretty small, I put a trust fund together for myself. Whole I was doing this bond yields were negative, and had been for a long while, and I'd posit they still are (last I looked the $1 pound loaves at Walmart were $1.50). I just did not and do not have the buffer money for investing, not to mention a need for liquidity and possible penalties. It would be nice to have something more stable. Of course, Au and Ag haven't yet reared their imaginary powers yet in any case, though many portend they will.

Ideally though, an ounce of gold is an ounce. But a dollar can be anything. The question is one of making gold, silver, or some other fixed-quantity, portable, arbitrarily valuable substance into legal tender, right?

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by zoklet-enjoyer on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:27AM (#35870496)
Gold coins are beautiful liquid assets. Why not keep part of your retirement or emergency fund in gold and silver? I can just go down to one of many local coin stores and sell them if I need the cash.
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by bheadmaster on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @02:35AM (#35870876)
> fiat currency is a grand scheme to undermine our savings

How exactly is it not? Inflation = stealing value from people, that they have already created, time-limiting their spending power so that there's no way to actually save money in the long-term.

Money printing is theft, indirect taxation without consent.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by qwytw on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:28AM (#35872220)
> no way to actually save money in the long-term

The idea is that you'd save by investing into productive enterprises (and or government bonds) obviously that doesn't necessarily function as well as one would hope for but it's an better solution than hoarding cash/gold/bitcoin/etc.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by throw0101b on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:20AM (#35872624)
> so that there's no way to actually save money in the long-term.

Besides equities? Besides TIPS?

* https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tips.asp

Do you literally keep bills under your mattress or buried in your backyard? There's your problem.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by bheadmaster on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @08:00AM (#35873015)
> Do you literally keep bills under your mattress or buried in your backyard? There's your problem.

No, there's not my problem. The problem is that the government keeps printing money, so my bills under my mattress or buried in my backyard keep dropping in value. The fact that there are securities that are literally called "Inflation-Protected" as an antidote to that only serves as a proof of the original problem.

> But you can save money!

No, you can invest money. But investing should not be mandatory just to keep your wealth from rotting.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by throw0101b on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:32PM (#35882969)
> The problem is that the government keeps printing money […]

Except that it doesn't. Money is created by private banks through credit (loan, mortgage) creation:

* https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/quarterly-bulletin/2014/q1/m...

* https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/how-is-money-crea...

> […] so my bills under my mattress or buried in my backyard keep dropping in value.

Yes, this is a feature: the discouragement of the non-productive uses of capital and hoarding à la Scrooge McDuck.

> No, you can invest money.

Most people actually save and do not invest:

* https://www.pragcap.com/saving-is-not-the-key-to-financial-s...

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by bheadmaster on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @12:56PM (#35890049)
> Yes, this is a feature: the discouragement of the non-productive uses of capital and hoarding à la Scrooge McDuck.

I sincerely doubt that "disouragement of the non-productive uses of capital" is the main reason for inflation. Linear tax on having money would do much better. Besides, except for a pathological example where scarcity of money causes deflation, why would it matter if someone is hoarding money?

If they're saving for something that costs e.g. 10 years wage, "hoarding" money is the only way they'd ever save that much. But with constant inflation, it's basically impossible - the only way to "save" money for something that expensive is to take a loan... Which again seems to lead back into banks' pockets. Who actually hoard money.

The game seems rigged, and all "explanations" for inflation just sound like bad lies given by Wall Street brokers high on coke.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by JohnFen on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:57AM (#35875298)
> Money printing is theft, indirect taxation without consent.

I think this characterization is incorrect.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by lamp987 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:56AM (#35872434)
"fiat currency is a grand scheme to undermine our savings"

imagine writing this as ironic mockery during an ongoing inflation crisis.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by Finnucane on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @09:44AM (#35874191)
Note also that historically, the gold standard didn't actually prevent inflation.
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by hakfoo on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @10:05PM (#35882774)
The operative portion was the other half of the sentence.

It's never a "they're targeting a number that they believe in good faith will maximize economic activity on a national level", it's always "devaluing my existing holdings gives $boogeyman_ethnic_or_political_group an advantage" like you're somehow prohibited from investing.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by mschuster91 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:58AM (#35872447)
> 3) Arguably a subset of 2) but Apocalypse Enthusiast. "When civilization crumbles, the obvious trade unit won't be something like grain, alcohol, or bullets, but my bags full of low-grade silver dimes! I'll be King of the Wasteland!"

Yes, direct trade may definitely be grains, alcohol or bullets - but as soon as economies more complex than a self sufficient farm village crop up, eventually some form of token will be required.

For that, historically gold and silver have been the established tokens of choice for millennia, and even today's currencies are backed by insane amounts of gold in central bank vaults - it's not a bad assumption per se to think that gold and silver will outlast even our modern civilization. Come to think of it, most of the world's currencies sans the Swiss Franc and the US dollars are barely decades old.

We're already seeing a switch from the US dollar as the universally accepted international reserve and trading currency - only 60% of reserves and 40% of trades are valued in dollars, mostly towards the Euro and, in smaller amounts, yen, yuan and a bit of Francs. Think forward a few decades... what humans create can vanish in a very short time.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by jelani_t on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:08AM (#35872528)
So because someone has a different worldview, you're gonna call them stupid? Cool. In the meantime, look how much purchasing power your dollar has lost since 1971. In your first point, you're also only taking into account the government-reported inflation. Go to your local grocery store and run the numbers yourself and you'll get a much higher number. After a certain percentage, inflation just becomes a tax unless you have it sitting in assets.

And I don't understand your second point either. Your savings have most definitely been undermined. Your nominal wages might be up, but your purchasing power is way down since after the stimmys. To calculate the difference, compare how many hours you'd have to have worked in the past to how many hours you'd have to work now to achieve the same standard of living.

Maybe cut out the pretentiousness and dismissiveness and listen to what people who are generally concerned about you and your purchasing power are saying.

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by throw0101b on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:17AM (#35872610)
> In the meantime, look how much purchasing power your dollar has lost since 1971.

See also the amount of deflation that has occurred over the decades:

* https://www.huffpost.com/entry/radio-shack-ad_b_4612973

Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by jelani_t on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:27AM (#35872692)
Cool, now do housing and university.
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by lamp987 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:57AM (#35872440)
whats practical about your wealth being stolen from you?
Re:Texas moves to create gold-backed digital currency by throw0101b on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @07:13AM (#35872565)
> whats practical about your wealth being stolen from you?

It forces you to invest it productive assets. What social value is there in locking away wealth in non-productive forms?

Buffett in 2011:

> Today the world’s gold stock is about 170,000 metric tons. If all of this gold were melded together, it would form a cube of about 68 feet per side. (Picture it fitting comfortably within a baseball infield.) At $1,750 per ounce – gold’s price as I write this – its value would be $9.6 trillion. Call this cube pile A.

> Let’s now create a pile B costing an equal amount. For that, we could buy all U.S. cropland (400 million acres with output of about $200 billion annually), plus 16 Exxon Mobils (the world’s most profitable company, one earning more than $40 billion annually). After these purchases, we would have about $1 trillion left over for walking-around money (no sense feeling strapped after this buying binge). Can you imagine an investor with $9.6 trillion selecting pile A over pile B?

> Beyond the staggering valuation given the existing stock of gold, current prices make today’s annual production of gold command about $160 billion. Buyers – whether jewelry and industrial users, frightened individuals, or speculators – must continually absorb this additional supply to merely maintain an equilibrium at present prices.

> A century from now the 400 million acres of farmland will have produced staggering amounts of corn, wheat, cotton, and other crops – and will continue to produce that valuable bounty, whatever the currency may be. Exxon Mobil will probably have delivered trillions of dollars in dividends to its owners and will also hold assets worth many more trillions (and, remember, you get 16 Exxons). The 170,000 tons of gold will be unchanged in size and still incapable of producing anything. You can fondle the cube, but it will not respond.

* https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2011ltr.pdf

What social good does encouraging hoarding attain?