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Re:What I Want from the Internet by camgunz on Monday May 08, 2023 @11:08AM (#35862423)
I mostly buy Eternal September, or as rephrased by David Foster Wallace:

"[The internet] is the way it is simply because people tend to be extremely similar in their vulgar and prurient and dumb interests and wildly different in their refined and aesthetic and noble interests."

Like, the internet is banal because we're (the rich world) all on it. It's not a weird little niche anymore. So it's now subject to all the (rich) world's problems. Racism is a problem on Twitter not because of content moderation difficulties or the lack of sufficient compute power to run sufficiently intelligent AI, but because it's a problem off Twitter too. Getting nickel and dimed, scammed, deluged by ads, or tricked by dark patterns is a problem on major platforms because it's a problem in meatspace too. We all know this, because our main fear with AI (the latest and greatest tech) is that it will soon also have all of these problems, and just amplify them even more than the internet did. It totally will!

But FWIW I think cool things are happening. Wireguard and Tailscale are cool. I hate to admit it, but some Blockchain stuff is cool. MLS is cool. ActivityPub is (maybe) cool. You just gotta get out of the browser.

Re:What I Want from the Internet by JohnFen on Monday May 08, 2023 @11:12AM (#35862480)
> You just gotta get out of the browser.

I agree with this. The internet is a great tool. The web is extremely problematic and growing less useful over time.

Too many people think that the internet and the web are the same thing.

Re:What I Want from the Internet by chrbutler on Monday May 08, 2023 @11:13AM (#35862497)
Yes, I struggle with that all the time - and not getting bogged down into yet another explainer that they are not the same thing!
Re:What I Want from the Internet by pixl97 on Monday May 08, 2023 @02:50PM (#35865546)
Firewalls pretty much have made the internet and web the same thing, as discussed on HN in many threads. About the only services on the internet that are not wholesale blocked are DNS and HTTPS. The internet's usefulness as a tool has been greatly compromised because of this.
Re:What I Want from the Internet by JohnFen on Monday May 08, 2023 @03:24PM (#35865915)
> About the only services on the internet that are not wholesale blocked are DNS and HTTPS.

Really? I'm so happy and fortunate that hasn't been true for me. If the only thing I could reach was the web, well over half of the usefulness of the internet would evaporate.

Re:What I Want from the Internet by hattmall on Monday May 08, 2023 @08:09PM (#35868642)
So what are you using?
Re:What I Want from the Internet by camgunz on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:06PM (#35866378)
This is a gift. Technology to keep corporations out of your space is usually a lot more expensive and a lot less reliable.
Re:What I Want from the Internet by lelandbatey on Monday May 08, 2023 @08:42PM (#35868885)
Is that true for personal internet connections, or just corporate ones? I've never felt any kind of big restrictions on what kind of traffic I send from my home connection.
Re:What I Want from the Internet by afefers on Monday May 08, 2023 @11:49AM (#35862951)
What is MLS?
Re:What I Want from the Internet by camgunz on Monday May 08, 2023 @11:59AM (#35863136)
Messaging Layer Security: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging_Layer_Security -- basically TLS for messaging apps
Re:What I Want from the Internet by danrl on Monday May 08, 2023 @03:02PM (#35865710)
Gemini:// is a protocol that currently feels a lot like the geocities-era web. It is not yet September there. You’ll find how to get in if you try hard enough.
Re:What I Want from the Internet by giantrobot on Monday May 08, 2023 @07:55PM (#35868538)
Gemini threw the baby out with the bath water by disallowing in-line images and styles. It's not like GeoCities because there's very little if any ability to express yourself artistically with the medium. Half of the "Geocities" pages people harken back to were themselves artistic content.

None of that is really possible with Gemini.

Re:What I Want from the Internet by selfhoster11 on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @09:42AM (#35887244)
In-line images are up to the user agent. A Gemini client can permit the user to turn these on. Besides, Gemini being a protocol that aims to be hostile to tracking, made it a bit harder to include tracking beacons/pixels by not allowing those to be downloaded by default.
Re:What I Want from the Internet by danrl on Friday May 12, 2023 @11:50AM (#35917903)
Agree on the lack of style. I think it would be nice to give the user agent at least a hint in the form of a color map.

Images can be inlined by the user agent.

Re:What I Want from the Internet by cultureswitch on Monday May 08, 2023 @06:13PM (#35867641)
That quote really nails the problem.
Re:What I Want from the Internet by TheOtherHobbes on Monday May 08, 2023 @06:57PM (#35868015)
You list social issues and then list a collection of privacy-oriented technology as if it's a solution.

Those two domains are orthogonal. Perfect privacy won't make racism or banality go away. It may make it harder to be targeted by ad farms, but it will make it easier for scammers and other bottom feeders to infiltrate and exploit online communities for personal and sometimes political ends.

Instead of being flooded by spray-and-pray spam, users in online spaces will be targeted by more sophisticated attacks based on estimates of psychology and interests derived from their public posting profile.

The DFW quote sums it up nicely. There is no technological fix for a lowest common denominator culture which rewards predatory greed over sincere mutuality.

Re:What I Want from the Internet by camgunz on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @01:41AM (#35870587)
It was just a random list off the top of my head. I don't think there is anything privacy oriented about blockchains (which publish and store your transactions publicly forever) or activitypub (which literally publishes your activity to other people). They weren't meant to seem like solutions to humanity's problems.

The rest of your post I agree with; mostly that was my point.

Re:What I Want from the Internet by flippinburgers on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @03:08AM (#35871090)
Are you saying that racism is only a problem in rich countries?