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Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Sunday May 07, 2023 @07:54AM (#35850440)
There are now zero incentives to research and develop better plugs in the EU since it is illegal to market them instead of USB-C.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mrtksn on Sunday May 07, 2023 @07:57AM (#35850458)
The rest of the world can develop the superior charging cable plugs and we can use this thing called internet to find out about it.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Sunday May 07, 2023 @07:59AM (#35850475)
Depending on the rest of the world for tech, research and innovation is why us, Europeans, are worried about these authoritarian EU mandates which can only cause us falling further behind the rest of the world.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mrtksn on Sunday May 07, 2023 @08:03AM (#35850503)
Can you give me an example of an EU regulation which prevented an European company invent a technology?

I'm familiar with the narrative but I don't know any examples.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by throwaway50606 on Sunday May 07, 2023 @08:04AM (#35850510)
Gaia-X funneled money to large corporations that used it to market their shitty corporate services and that allowed them to beat actually innovative cloud computing startups.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mrtksn on Sunday May 07, 2023 @08:07AM (#35850532)
I'm not familiar with this. Did it happen due to the EU regulation which dictated that Gaia-X have to funnel money to large corporations? Which regulation specifically you are blaming this to?
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Sunday May 07, 2023 @08:08AM (#35850545)
By definition, we cannot know the creations and innovations we are missing due to the unintended second-order freezing effects of regulation. This is why we need to be extremely skeptical of regulation and only accept it in truly important and non-trivial cases (unlike a damn charging plug).

There is a clear push from European elites for a halt in progress, aiming to maintain a status quo and preserve their existing advantages. As progressives, it is crucial that we fight this to ensure that Europe continues to advance and we don't have all to emigrate to the US.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mrtksn on Sunday May 07, 2023 @08:13AM (#35850583)
EU citizens are sceptical of the corporations and their ability to regulate themselves. Different attitudes, the American psyche definitely allows for better innovation and business environment but on the other hand in EU we don't have carcinogens in our bread.

It is O.K. to have two or more different societies, those feeling like they need more freedom for business can go to the US. It definitely makes the US much more competitive but a lot of people like Europe the way it is.

EU is not some company in Belgium, it is made of elected and appointed people from all the EU countries. It's not like EU making up things that members didn't ask for. EU creating a regulation is not like Twitter forcing a new policy over its users.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by revelio on Sunday May 07, 2023 @10:19AM (#35851803)
> It's not like EU making up things that members didn't ask for.

The EU does opinion polls to find out what people's top concerns are. Guess what: mobile phone connectors, cookie popups, GDPR and all the other crap the EU engages in never gets anywhere even close to the top of the pile.

We saw what the EU does when a member asks for changes requested by their "EU citizens". It told the UK to fuck off and then threw a hissy fit when the Brits actually did so.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mrtksn on Sunday May 07, 2023 @10:31AM (#35851929)
Opinion polls are one thing, the EU itself is mede up of elected officials and officials appointed by elected officials.

If UK wants to block travel and resident rights of EU citizens and keep access into EU markets, that's obviously where the EU has to say fuck off. Non-British have opinions too and the opinions are overweeningly that if you want to be in EU you have to have the same rights and obligations like everybody else. No one is obligated to provide others with privileges just because they threaten to leave, they are free to leave and enjoy not being in the club. Which is silly because all those "EU rules" are put in place together with the British anyway.

Speaking if opinion polls, here are some of the latest opinions polls of the British public on Brexit: https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/joining-or-staying-o...

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by revelio on Sunday May 07, 2023 @10:54AM (#35852148)
In democracies opinion polls are regarded as important because people's opinions matter. The EU doesn't care about them because the EU is not a democracy.

Even if you pretend the distance between voters and decision makers doesn't matter, here's a simple test: did your countries elected official vote for von der Leyen? You don't know the answer because the process by which she was selected is totally opaque by design. We don't even know if there was a vote at all. We don't know why she was selected. The MEPs were given a choice of her or nobody else. So please don't tell people that the EU is democratic or made up of "officials appointed by elected officials".

"If UK wants to block travel and resident rights of EU citizens and keep access into EU markets"

The EU granted residency rights automatically to everyone from the EU who was living there, and the EU still told everyone in the country to fuck off - including millions of those so-called "EU citizens" whose so-called rights suddenly stopped mattering.

But this is really a sideshow. The fact is, nobody in Europe was going on protest marches about USB-C or kettle speeds. The EU spends time on this stuff because it's made up of powerful but bubble-living bureaucrats who don't care and don't have to care about what matters to everyone else.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mrtksn on Sunday May 07, 2023 @11:15AM (#35852319)
I was in UK when the Brexit referandum was held, it wasn't about EU granting residency rights or anything like it. After UK let EU, nothing was done that couldn't have been done when EU. That's also why UK's public opinion changed.

Anyway, you are entitled to believe in alternative facts. You are also entitled to believe that all EU does is regulating USB-C, that's fine. You are also free to believe that EU officials do things that no one cares or wants and keep getting elected.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by revelio on Sunday May 07, 2023 @11:54AM (#35852726)
I haven't claimed anywhere that all the EU does is regulating USB-C, why do you think that? I gave several other examples of micromanagement.

> You are also free to believe that EU officials do things that no one cares or wants and keep getting elected.

The EU officials who create regulations are the Commissioners, who are not elected. That isn't an alternative fact, it's just a fact. I continue to be amazed at how EU supporters keep pretending this isn't the case. Can't tell if it's ignorance about their own political system or just too embarrassing to admit.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by mardifoufs on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:25PM (#35853054)
Can you highlight which alternative facts were in the comment you replied to? Are you saying you know how she was elected/chosen?
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by anigbrowl on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:36PM (#35854831)
We can't know what innovations are missing due to corporate greed or the ubiquity of AC power transmission either. You're making the same argument as people who think Tesla had the secret of cheap and abundant wireless power transmission but the knowledge was suppressed by shadowy elites.

It's kinda hard to believe you seriously believe you might end up living in an Amish village. Perhaps you should visit the US and be surprised at how mediocre a lot of stuff is.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:01AM (#35859164)
I know that if a corporation fails to innovate competition and free markets ensure other more innovative companies have the opportunity to come up and eat their lunch. That mechanism simply doesn't work with governments and regulation because they are absolute monopolies without competition.

I lived in the US and while Europe (where I live now) has pretty old towns and manicured lawns I know that nothing modern and innovative comes from here: iPhone, software, SpaceX, even Tesla. Largest European company is a luxury brand and the most powerful economy in the EU turned out to be an empty shell controlled by and built on on cheap Russian energy. California alone dwarfs the largest EU countries put together.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by Moldoteck on Sunday May 07, 2023 @10:29AM (#35851910)
Wtf are you smoking? You can add other ports, the law is about mandating usb-c. If you want thunderlightening port or anything you want besides usbc, like HEADPHONE JACK, you can doo this...
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Sunday May 07, 2023 @11:09AM (#35852267)
How many phones have you seen with multiple different ports for the exact same purpose: charging?
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by TheCleric on Sunday May 07, 2023 @12:15PM (#35852962)
I mean Apple currently has two...
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by Moldoteck on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:02PM (#35854491)
I can name a few but why does this matter. The point is Apple can work around this for eu market if they want but at the end consumers will win anyway
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:27PM (#35854747)
I'm a consumer and I lost: I'll have to change all my charging cables with an inferior alternative.
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by Moldoteck on Sunday May 07, 2023 @03:34PM (#35854811)
Why is it inferior? Last time i checked lightning can't do 240W charging or 40gbps data transfer? Just like afaik typec doesn't have corrosion problem lightning has, also type c is universally used across the majority of brands, heck even in ipads and macbooks, you say apple deliberately choose to replace 'superior port' with 'inferior type c'? Lmao)
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Sunday May 07, 2023 @05:17PM (#35855682)
Lightning connector is smaller, more robust being a straight male connector as opposed to some weird female-in-male contraption. The port is beveled so it slides easier unlike USB-C which catches and I always have to fumble around. Not as bad as the old USB connector were, with their legendary 3 flips to find the right orientation, but still.

No idea what corrosion you are talking about as I never encountered it. I don't need 240W to charge my iPhone, is't not a freaking Tesla and I prefer to prolong the battery life. I will give you the data bandwidth but I for laptops MagSafe is an even better charging port, and I hope someday for iPads too.

Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by Moldoteck on Monday May 08, 2023 @01:22AM (#35858398)
So your only argument why type c is inferior is that it is smaler and slides easier and you deliberately choose to ignore all it's advantages... I had used both and I don't really see a difference in connecting a cable to the phone, both are easy to manage. Corrosion is a problem for lightning, if you didn't get it, you are very lucky, but you can find a lot of complains with a google search. You want to preserve battery and that's fine, I want too, that's why I use ADAPTIVE CHARGING that decreases charging speed at the end for exactly that. The thing is, if manufacturer wants to add faster charging, it can. Wifi is not fast enough for transfering gb's of data, especially when dealing with proraw 4k footage. Magsafe is faster, but you see, they still left type c, because some people don't want to carry 3 charging cables with them to charge iphone, ipad and macbook. And tbh max speed for magsafe is what? 140w? They could have done this with usbc, but at least they gave consumers a choice, a choice that doesn't exist for lightning
Re:EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new i... by nickpp on Monday May 08, 2023 @04:07AM (#35859194)
> they gave consumers a choice

Choice is exactly what we had before the usb-c authoritarian mandate. Now it's only that for devices that are size-limited.

I am glad you are happy about your connector - but please understand I am not. I was happy with lightning and now I have to throw a bunch of cables away and replace them with an inferior (for me) alternative.