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Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday May 04, 2023 @06:37PM (#35823047)
In some companies, yes. In other engineering-driven companies it's the other way around.

In many organizations, marketing is just asking customers what they want. E.g. ask a farmer from the turn of the century, they'd have said "I want a horse that pulls harder and eats less oats!"

They'd never have said "I want a tractor!"

It's Engineers that conceive of tractors.

Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by dann0 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @06:50PM (#35823157)
Hard disagree. Marketers conceive of tractors.

They are the ones by talking to the customers and knowing what they need. They are the ones that know that one engineer has been working on a high power engine, and other on rugged, high traction trailers.

Purely engineering firms fail in the long run as they drift away from what buyers want and chase interesting things because they think they know better.

Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by moomoo11 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:27PM (#35823451)
Cough meta cough
Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by selimthegrim on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:54PM (#35823678)
Zilog too
Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by bazmattaz on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:12AM (#35826225)
I would’ve agreed with you if you had swapped marketers for product managers.

Marketers coming up with ideas and dictating those ideas to engineers is just wrong

Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by birksherty on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:33AM (#35826333)
> Purely engineering firms fail in the long run as they drift away from what buyers want and chase interesting things because they think they know better.

Eh, it's not about purely engineering. Many businesses who are not related to engineering fails exact same reason. They only care about short time growth and loses. Happens all the time.

Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by singleshot_ on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:12PM (#35823344)
Every time I hear this horse argument I picture a horse that is as strong as 1000 horses and goes 300 miles per hour and I get really sad that they invented cars instead of just giving people what they wanted.
Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by hnfong on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:33AM (#35830578)
But remember the horse shit you'd need to deal with.
Re:Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks ... by singleshot_ on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:54PM (#35832812)
Correction, that YOU would have to deal with. I’ll be three hundred miles away looking for oats.

That being said: you are absolutely right. How quickly the externalities are forgotten.