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Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by 1827163 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:11PM (#35820632)
No, I think this is wrong, we should be expanding children's rights, not be taking them away. Instead force social media companies to change the recommendation algorithms and make other tweaks to the sites to reduce the amount of harm from occurring.

We are already raising a coddled generation who have little concept of basic liberties and natural rights. We will have a disaster on the horizon when they grow into adults, and who will accept the same treatment from the government this time.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by lumb63 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:58PM (#35821243)
I know it is in vogue to criticize social media companies for their algorithms and for dark patterns. I do it too. But I think there is more to why social media is harmful to mental health, especially for young people, especially for girls. I think it’s related to how people use the platforms and what they post on them.

For instance, I follow powerlifting pretty closely. A lot of folks who have been around for a while will tell their viewers something similar to, “don’t structure your training like the people on Instagram”, or “don’t believe everyone is like the people on Instagram - it’s just a highlight reel”. Because of the algorithms they use, you only see the strongest people on your feed, because that’s what people want to see. It’s exciting. But even if the algorithms were tweaked so that somehow this didn’t happen, while still providing content you wanted to see, it wouldn’t solve the issue.

Continuing with my above example, nobody posts their grueling, three-hour-long workouts. They post the single PR (personal record) they hit, or some motivational song played over their heaviest set of the day. They post the four-month diet transformation, not the daily low-calorie meals, the times they have cravings, the unremarkable week-to-week changes. They do that because they know that’s what people want to see, but more than that, they do it because that’s what they’re proud of.

The reality is that people are much more than what they are proud of. People have good days, and people have bad days. People have motivated days, and people have days where they drag their feet. People have strong and weak days, heavy and light days. Sometimes these phases last for weeks or months. When you assess others through the lens of their social media profile, you see a minuscule sliver of who they are and what is going on in their life. That sliver is curated by them to be exactly what they think makes them look best.

So to come full circle, even if all the algorithms on social media platforms tried to be less detrimental to mental health, I don’t think it would work. Instead of seeing the strongest people on the planet hitting PRs and thinking themselves weak, people would see whoever they followed hitting PRs and think themselves weak. Social media encourages you to compare yourself to what others are posting, which is a cherry-picked sample of the best moments in their life.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by 1827163 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:27PM (#35821610)
How about education, polite warning messages, time limits, instead of a total ban. I think this hardline treatment of young people is unacceptable, probably something entrenched in society from past generations, with its origins in religion. There are much better middle ground solutions to the problem.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by mrangle on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:29PM (#35822334)
Cobbling together the words hardline, unacceptable, entrenched, religion, and middle-grounds is not an argument let alone persuasion. At best, it's an opinion strangely rooted in some type of anti-religious bias. The truth is that society has always restricted and will continue to restrict children from things that have negative impacts on their development.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by 1827163 on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:16AM (#35827315)
And I hope one day teenagers (~15+) will get together and rise up against their subjugation, 'for their own good'. It's likely only a matter of time before the uprising or revolution will come. And parents sick on power will end up feeling the wrath of it.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by mrangle on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:25PM (#35822296)
>No, I think this is wrong, we should be expanding children's rights, not be taking them away

LOL Wrong

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by mixmastamyk on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:35PM (#35823968)
Send them outside if you want to avoid coddling.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by HPsquared on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:52PM (#35824067)
The internet is more real and significant than what's outside most people's homes.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by j-bos on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:03PM (#35824132)
I agree, with a personal thought.

This gets said often and it's true. But it's also self sustaining, and not just at a societal level, at an individual level. I previously worked with many people who lead full lives with minimal online interactions besides group chats with family. They were not significant people in a significant place but they lead meaningful lives. I personally find it helpful to remember that.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by mixmastamyk on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:24PM (#35824253)
“War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength”
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by macNchz on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:47PM (#35824688)
If we were able to quantify it, I'd expect the degree to which someone agrees with this statement to be incredibly well negatively correlated with measures of life satisfaction.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by golemotron on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:07PM (#35824156)
> No, I think this is wrong, we should be expanding children's rights, not be taking them away.

Children have the right to be protected until adulthood.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by foobarmoo123 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:10PM (#35824789)
protected from what?

Kids in the USA are "protected" to/from walking to school. They must be driven. etc...

Also they don't have this right. Parents might have a responsibility to protect them, children don't have a "right" to protection.