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Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by tysam_and on Thursday May 04, 2023 @01:53PM (#35819472)
Midjourney is higher quality by a fair bit, from my personal experience and from being near a few of the top early AI artists for a good little while.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by Workaccount2 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:21PM (#35819899)
Is midjourneys model actually better?

I was under the impression that midjourney was just running a form of SD and it's real secret sauce are the peripheral prompts it injects on the backend along with your prompts.

I could be totally off the mark here.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by og_kalu on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:18PM (#35822211)
The model is obviously massively better. and they haven't been using SD in any form since the test mode of v3. the models are trained from scratch.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by sixothree on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:22PM (#35819904)
Is midjourney still using discord as its primary user interface? That really turned me off.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by chefandy on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:46PM (#35820255)
Yes-- a classmate uses it. They do @everyone announces in their server every day, and while you can mute actual notifications, it still adds one to your badge count. My attention is too valuable-- that would get me to cancel my subscription.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by sixothree on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:11PM (#35821420)
When I used it, it didn't feel like a product. It felt like a demo. If I have to rely on some bot in a public forum, I'm not sure I like this product.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by Sohcahtoa82 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @06:01PM (#35822717)
I've operated on the assumption that MidJourney is deliberately knee-capping their growth by making it only work on Discord to ensure they don't grow faster than they can add hardware.

I could be entirely wrong, though. Maybe the person making that decision is just an idiot.

I have an IRC bot that has triggers for DALL-E, GPT3, and ChatGPT. I really want to make one for MidJourney, and I would happily pay MJ for the privilege. But I can't. Not without breaking some rules.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by tysam_and on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:07PM (#35823303)
They have a <10 person team IIRC, using Discord as an interface saves a TON of money/effort/maintenance/risk, etc, as best as I understand, and lets them focus on the technical product. Remember, Discord is giving them free content legal protection by proxy, even if that's not necessarily the original intended effect I think. There's a lot to gain by riding alongside Discord as a primary interface vehicle, I personally believe.

They're good enough technically at what they do that their audience is okay with the interface that they have to use, I'd reckon (I've heard similar beefs about the UI stuff though, so it sorta makes sense).

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by aix1 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:52PM (#35825026)
> Discord is giving them free content legal protection by proxy

Would you mind explaining what you mean by that? Thanks!

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by anticensor on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:17AM (#35828273)
Discord does not have its own data centres, It would be hard for them to provide such a guarantee.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by tysam_and on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:51PM (#35837211)
Discord hosts a substantial number of images among other things.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by throwaway675309 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:22PM (#35824239)
Even if you turn all permissions on for your bot including the ability to use slash commands it won't be able to send commands to the Discord mid journey bot. (And there is no publicly exposed API)

The only way to do it right now would be to create a separate dedicated discord account linked to midjourney, and then have your bot control that user account and that's a good way not only to get your MJ access revoked but also to have your discord account banned.

As far as kneecaping their growth, they have one of the largest discord channels in history and they frequently run up against compute limits, so if this was one of their ostensible goals they failed at it pretty spectacularly.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:42AM (#35825588)
> Even if you turn all permissions on for your bot including the ability to use slash commands

AFAIK, this isn't possible.

Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by lukebitts on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:34PM (#35820938)
MJ edits your prompts, you can achieve the same level of quality if you use the same prompts they do (which can be found on the internet)
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by cubefox on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:43AM (#35827987)
They edit your prompt ... how?
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by lukebitts on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:20AM (#35828293)
By adding keywords to the prompt and to the negative prompt
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by cubefox on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:01AM (#35829300)
Can you give me an example? What are those keywords? This sounds a bit like Dall-E 2, where OpenAI appears to manipulate certain queries involving women to make them black.
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by lukebitts on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:46AM (#35829907)
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by cubefox on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:36AM (#35830629)
Okay, though this seems to be someone who tries to imitate Midjourney using Stable Diffusion, so it is still not quite clear how Midjourney does it. Though it seems plausible that they would "cheat" in this matter in order to get something more artsy looking. (But what if you don't want something artsy, or not artsy in their style?)
Re:Google “We Have No Moat, and Neither Does OpenAI” by lukebitts on Saturday May 06, 2023 @04:07PM (#35844931)
Thats the value proposition of MJ I guess. Its easier to get something good out of a simple prompt, but you end up with a recognizable MJ look