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Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by CyberWraith on Thursday May 04, 2023 @01:42PM (#35819293)
What's wrong with incels? are they bad people because they can't find a relationship? what?
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by fknorangesite on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:29PM (#35819998)
Playing dumb is not a good look.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by CyberWraith on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:58PM (#35820423)
Still haven't answered what's wrong with incels
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by bluefirebrand on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:40PM (#35821020)
Male incels are generally very miserable people with a lot of mental health struggles.

The implication is that society is also very hostile to men and boys right now, demonstrated by them becoming incels in large numbers.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by vgatherps on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:13AM (#35825144)
incel generally isn't used literally to refer to all people who want to have sex but can't, but a male subset of said group who tend to hold really strong beliefs along the lines of "women won't sleep with me because they're bad", "women only like the bad dudes not nice guys like me", etc.
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Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by burnished on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:46PM (#35823620)
None of your posts look flagged to me, but I suspect it was automatic due to votes or flagging which was likely from people responding to your attitude, which is histrionic in its defense of a group defined by attitudes others find loathsome.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by 1827163 on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:10AM (#35826916)
And an exceptionally dramatic writing style is somewhat justified in response to a moral panic which is likely to end up destroying many innocent people's lives, people who have done nothing wrong. As countless other moral panics have done throughout history.

Because, I know from past experience, that only a small minority of these 'incels' have done anything seriously wrong, and the rest are going to end up on government watchlists for expressing the wrong political opinions. Political opinions that have been deemed inappropriate by pressure groups which are influencing the government to enforce their agendas.

And because of the lack of separation of powers nowadays, we will have intelligence agencies such as GCHQ monitoring the Internet, using powers that should be only used against foreign states, turned against the general public to hunt down these 'incels'.

Yes, these pressure groups have so much sway over the government, they can even eventually get GCHQ to enforce their agendas. Many of these pressure groups being fronts for those with radical feminist or evangelical christian agendas, i.e. they are the modern equivalent of puritans.

This stuff plays out over the decades, and finally we got to the point where we are now, after extensive lobbying by these groups for a very long time indeed.

And it's ruining society, these pressure groups are in effect, a national security issue and nothing is being done about it by the government.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by ben_w on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:41PM (#35821049)
As with all groups, the loudest are the least well-adjusted.

Thus, while it may be the western version of some exotic sounding Japanese word that translates as "single adult", the implication is the exact opposite causality of your question: they are single because they are bad, not vice-versa.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by mrangle on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:47PM (#35822560)
And yet it applies to everyone who is without a partner. Not just to the loud ones. Your supposed implication seems to be something that another certain loud group desires. Not something that can be inferred by any interpretation of the English language that I was ever able to discern.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by burnished on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:39PM (#35823565)
Absolutely not. When I was single and looking but not finding I was not 'involuntarily celibate', thats a designation you self select into.

Being an incel is something you choose. Everyone else just isn't having sex.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by vkou on Thursday May 04, 2023 @03:47PM (#35821125)
They aren't bad people because they can't find a relationship.

But a lot of them act in bad ways because they believe/have been told to believe that their difficulty in finding a relationship is someone else's fault.

This often makes them utterly insufferable to be around, which is a positive feedback loop.

And then, hey, look, here's a disaffected community of angry young men, all feeling that society has taken a great big dump on them, all ripe for radicalization by some cynical ideologue.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by nemothekid on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:17PM (#35821491)
>are they bad people because they can't find a relationship?

They are bad people because incel forums are normally filled with crab-bucket mentality users who regurgitate highly misogynistic tropes up until the edge of being openly violent to women.

If you are unable to see the misogyny towards woman in many incel communities for whatever reason, at the very least I would say that they are bad for men because they tend to grow by reinforcing the idea that their community will never be good enough, that there is nothing that they can do, and it is the fault of society for all their problems.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by CyberWraith on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:59PM (#35822002)
Incels have killed more men than women, look up Elliot Rodger among others. I don't think anyone's a misogynist.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by vlunkr on Thursday May 04, 2023 @05:32PM (#35822362)
This may not be the solid defense you think it is.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by CyberWraith on Thursday May 04, 2023 @06:11PM (#35822828)
Why isn't it a solid defense?
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by flangola7 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:10PM (#35823322)
Because killing isn't a zero sum game.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by vlunkr on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:44PM (#35824364)
"They don't seem that bad, they've murdered more men than women"
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by nemothekid on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:02PM (#35823751)
I don't know why you think this is a good response. I'm familiar with his manifesto. They were "bad guys" who girls liked instead of him "nice guys" like him. It's the same crab bucket mentality all incels have that isn't healthy - instead of introspection, it's blaming other people for your own personality traits. The assumption that woman only like "mean, bad men" is misogynistic in it's own right.

If you are going to sit here and pretend Elliot's manfesto wasn't misogynist, then so be it, there's no point to carry water for these guys.

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by scambier on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:47PM (#35821833)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

The first paragraph speaks for itself. The whole "involuntary" part of "incel" implies that your celibacy - the fact that people don't want you as a partner - is totally out of your control. Incels are the epitome of "nice guys".

Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by CyberWraith on Thursday May 04, 2023 @04:54PM (#35821924)
Our looks and society's beauty standards are not in our hands. Seems like they're right.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by flangola7 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:18PM (#35823383)
Men have it much, much, easier in the beauty standards department then women. If a man can't get laid his looks have relatively little to do with it. There are fat short dudes out there absolutely killing it in the romance world. Personality, empathy, and good attitude are worth their weight in gold.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by CyberWraith on Thursday May 04, 2023 @08:22PM (#35823892)
Women are expected to not be fat, but men are expected to be tall. It's easy to hit the gym, but height is impossible to change. It's also socially acceptable for women to fake good looks by wearing makeup and high heels, but for men, it's not socially acceptable. So yeah, women have it much easier beauty standards.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by scambier on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:48AM (#35827572)
If beauty was the only metric of attractiveness or likeability, sure. Except that incels are not celibate because they're ugly, they're celibate because they're convinced that women don't want them because of their looks. That thinking makes them entitled people with an overall terrible personality. That's why they can't get laid.
Re:The UK’s tortured attempt to remake the internet by burnished on Thursday May 04, 2023 @07:36PM (#35823546)
People who havent found a relationship are just people. People that base their identity on being an incel, in which celibacy is a status that is inflicted on them, tend to hold a cluster of beliefs that express as anger towards women as a class (for withholding sex from them) and an unwillingness to engage in honest self reflection and growth.

It is common to see some one with that mindset to see outcomes as inevitable or as a function of things wholly out of their control such as looks or a perceived social dynamic involving 'chads' and 'staceys' that they are ineluctably locked out of.

Just some real bad vibes.