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Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by zeroonetwothree on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:04AM (#35815501)
He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy?

Not saying everything FB does is ok but I think we are going too crazy with the government intervention. I don’t exactly see that FB was committing deliberate fraud based on this latest report (but a lot is redacted). It seems more like there were just some bugs? As a dev I worry about a world in which we expect perfection from all software.

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by Nextgrid on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:21AM (#35815795)
Facebook stalks you regardless of whether you personally use it.
Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by chickenpotpie on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:58AM (#35816399)
> He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy?

Maybe not in America, but WhatsApp is basically mandatory in some countries. Schools will send out communications exclusively over it and many businesses exclusively use it for payment. 92% of Israeli phones have it installed. For some, the option is Facebook or not participating in society.

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by jjulius on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:48AM (#35817313)
>He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy?

A closed circuit camera system that exists for the purpose of helping to prevent or resolve any criminal issues and is otherwise not used for anything else is far different from tracking non-FB users (eg, "he isn't forcing you to use Facebook") and profiling them via trackers embedded on websites that you may use even without a FB account.

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by burnished on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:58PM (#35818582)
The level of observation is completely out of scope with the level of permission or disclosure, the two situations are not remotely comparable.

You do not expect a stranger to track everything possible about you and then go on to sell that data from a casual interaction.

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by reaperducer on Thursday May 04, 2023 @01:02PM (#35818652)
He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook.

You don't have to actually use Facebook in order to have your privacy violated by Facebook.

This came out years ago in Congressional hearings. It's also why lots of people who never had Facebook accounts got privacy-violation money from Facebook — it created profiles of people in the backgrounds of photos.

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by taauji on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:50AM (#35825326)
Yes Ghost profiles is what people used to refer it to.

Browser fingerprinting is how they are able to track you across the internet despite having no connection with facebook.

One way to fix this to stop your PC from communicating with any facebook servers.

- Firefox provides an extension for this.

There must be other methods that I am not aware of but if anybody knows.

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by JohnFen on Thursday May 04, 2023 @01:29PM (#35819081)
> He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook.

Unless you are constantly on guard and take defensive measures, Facebook spies on you even if you don't use it. So he is forcing you to contribute to Facebook.

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by kevingadd on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:09PM (#35819688)
> He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook.

Tell that to anyone who needs to use an Oculus device for work. Facebook required, friend!

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by taauji on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:37AM (#35825276)
Facebook is founded on 3 pillars of unethicalities.

1. Data Privacy - They will try to find every possible way to sell your data and not get noticed.

2. Depleting Mental Health - They will try to find every possible way to keep you engaged on the platform. That is often done by algorithmically promoting content that inspires extreme emotions in you. Emotions such as anger, jealousy, lust etc. That is not healthy for maintaining a good emotional balance.

3. Fake News - They will try to find every possible way to shrug off responsibility for spreading fake news. This affects politics by creating echo chambers, healthcare by preventing people from believing in the correct diagnostics and other areas.

I agree that nobody is stopping you from opening facebook, but facebook is like smoking. Everyone only wants to try it once, and then many fall into the downward spiral.

I was reading somewhere that how resisting facebook and all of facebook products everyday is not possible with the will power reserves that an average human has. This is because he is competing with psychologists and researchers employed by facebook who have been studying human behaviour for years.

I do not have any sources to back my claims. Social Media has personally affected me a lot so I keep reading about the phenomena out of curiosity. Here's one little article that breifly describes what I am talking about. https://medium.com/thrive-global/how-technology-hijacks-peop...

Re:Facebook furious at FTC after agency proposes ban on mone... by taauji on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:46AM (#35825314)
Not being forced is the wall behind which every un-ethical tech company hides.

- Nobody is forcing me to use youtube, but youtube has years of collection of important tutorials and educational material.

- Nobody is forcing me to use facebook (and its products) but fb has gathered users over the years that forces me to use the product in order to remain a part of the social sphere. Kids feeling left out in high-school because of not using instagram is an example.

- Nobody is forcing me to use Netflix, but if I want to watch the trendy movie that my friends are talking about, I do not have a choice.

If you see the pattern, tech companies by the virtue of their money have created a social effect where they might not "force" me to use their product but I have to use it if I wish to remain a part of the society.

It is difficult to swim upstream and the companies by the virtue of their deep pockets have shifted the flow that helps them make the most money.