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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by __loam on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:40PM (#35809816)
The technology is there. Waymo and Cruise have been testing self-driving cars in various US cities for years, and putting thousands of engineering hours into safety. You can take a driverless ride in a Waymo in Pheonix right now.

The problem with Tesla is that it was a rushed system built on the whim of a 50 year old nepo baby, and that real safety requires holistic sensor suites that include LIDAR and RADAR, as well as a fuck load of redundancy, in addition to cameras, which is the only thing Teslas have.

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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by infradig on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:51PM (#35809894)
What's your evidence that Elon Musk is a "nepo baby".
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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by jltsiren on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:55PM (#35809921)
There were a bunch of articles a couple of days ago how emergency responders are having an increasing amount of trouble with Waymo and Cruise. The root issue seems to be that the cars can't handle exceptional situations on their own, and there are not enough human operators to deal with them quickly enough.
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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by krupan on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:19PM (#35810098)
Cruise and Waymo have slightly inconvenienced emergency responders. Tesla crashed into a firetruck and killed someone.
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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by quonn on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:41PM (#35818266)
How? FSD means being constantly alert and ready to take over.

If the driver didn‘t do this, he killed someone, not the car. It‘s abundantly clear to anyone opting into the beta.

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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by jwestbury on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:24AM (#35827380)
Legal liability is not the same as causation. If a Tesla using FSD crashes into something, then the Tesla software crashed into something.
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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by krupan on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:53AM (#35829195)
How then is that FULL self driving? Cruise and Wayno cars have driven millions of miles with nobody in the driver's seat and they have avoided killing anyone. They don't require a human being constantly alert and ready to take over. That is full self driving.
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Re:Get a Tesla if you want to learn about AI trying to kill ... by quonn on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:35PM (#35818144)
I wouldn‘t call it rushed, it works far better than most assisted driving systems. It will probably soon be rolled out as that and I would not be surprised if, eventually, it becomes good enough to be fully self driving.
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