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Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by sophacles on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:48PM (#35809424)
Lots of people on here claiming vague "porn does damage" hysteria. Curiously, not one mention of what the damage actually is though. This leads me to believe it's pure nonsense born out of some religious delusion. Maybe not though so in all seriousness:

* What is the damage? (not yet another "it's harmful" sentance, I'm literally asking for details to learn what you mean, if anything).

* What is "widespread"? Presumably this can be presented in terms of % of population or other actual data shaped way.

* What is the "addiction" boogeyman in this context? What are the dreadful consequences you hint at? (again, please don't just bring the vague bullshit about "its addicting, lots of companies make money from it" - actual data is my request)

* What are the actual studies backing whatever articles you got your information from - do they even exist? Were they put out by some religious think-tank or by people who do science?

I'm going way out on a limb here, trying to assume you all are making good-faith claims rather than faith-based wishes. Currently I really suspect this is more motivated by a cult that has old dudes interrogate children about their genitals grasping at control over those genitalia than any reasonable problem solving.

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by davidgh on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:16PM (#35810077)
Here are a couple of references for you.

Compulsive Internet Pornography Use and Mental Health: A Cross-Sectional Study in a Sample of University Students in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7835260/

Is Internet Pornography Causing Sexual Dysfunctions? A Review with Clinical Reports https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by hgsgm on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:35PM (#35810221)
Men can't win. After centuries of being regarded as sex fiends who can't last nore than 2 minutes in bed, now "difficulty achieving orgasm" and "decreased libido" are considered dysfunctions.
Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by onion2k on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:17AM (#35811133)
Those states are two ends of a spectrum. There's a big 'normal, expected behavior' bit in the middle of that spectrum.
Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by locustous on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:44PM (#35810278)
> What is the damage?

Where to begin. I'll be as straight forward as I can.

Porn use cultivates lust. A false form of love that seeks easy sexual satisfaction instead of a stable long term committed relationship that's best for kids. Porn is a pretty major contributor to divorce and otherwise blowing up relationships. Some women will tolerate it for a time, or try to and even claim to succeed. But it eats at them and contributes greatly to their unhappiness.

It's another form of infidelity, which is quite infamous in human society since forever. Numerous literature pieces.

It's basically a love receptor inhibitor. The deeper you are in it the harder it will be to really love a woman. A real woman requires TLC, a great deal of it, a porn woman does not. How much energy do you thing goes into a relationship if all male sexual satisfaction is tied solely to it's health?

If you've been in it since youth you probably have never experienced the kind of real love I'm talking about. I know because I was there, myself, for years. I walked a life of porn for many years and it's taken many years to overcome that addiction. Night and day.

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by whalesalad on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @10:49PM (#35810661)
What’s wrong with sex for fun? That’s the moralistic religious conditioning that has us here in the first place.
Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by hulitu on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:52AM (#35812100)
> Porn is a pretty major contributor to divorce and otherwise blowing up relationships

Citation needed.

Usually a man's porn collection is not "public". If one shows it to his wife then ...

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by locustous on Thursday May 04, 2023 @09:16AM (#35814775)
Do you really need it spelled out for you? This is a pretty obvious statement.

https://verilymag.com/2017/07/causes-of-divorce-effects-of-w...

https://www.science.org/content/article/divorce-rates-double...

You can find plenty of pro porn propaganda out there too. They want to fill the channels with, at least, uncertainty.

But use your own brain and human experience. Do many women you know celebrate porn use by their husbands/boyfriends? That it doesn't bother them at all?

I don't need a study to tell me a hot stove burns. I've experienced the pain myself.

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by sophacles on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:02AM (#35815483)
> I don't need a study to tell me a hot stove burns. I've experienced the pain myself.

How is this in any way relevant? Touch stove -> get burned is an immediate and consistent causality chain. See porn -> get divorced is not an immediate response in almost all cases, nor is it even consistent.

Frankly the whole causality sounds a lot like people getting married before knowing important things about thier partner. (and yes if you are going to divorce someone over porn watching, it's an important thing to know about them going into the marriage, you should at least ask. On the other side, lying about it and trying to hide it are bad too - maybe honesty is a good idea in marriage situations... who knew?)

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by locustous on Saturday May 13, 2023 @05:39PM (#35933025)
> How is this in any way relevant? Touch stove -> get burned is an immediate and consistent causality chain. See porn -> get divorced is not an immediate response in almost all cases, nor is it even consistent.

It's a metaphor. Somethings can be clearly understood, by individual experience, without needing a body of citations. As clearly as a burn.

You misunderstand the nature of the personal and relationship damage if you think that divorce is the principle issue. It is but a symptom of the unhappiness that is rooted in porn use.

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by sophacles on Thursday May 04, 2023 @10:38AM (#35816069)
> Porn use cultivates lust.

Citation needed

> A false form of love that seeks easy sexual satisfaction instead of a stable long term committed relationship that's best for kids.

This assumes that everyone must want kids, and the everyone must act only in support of those who have them.

Also going to need some citations for what a true form of love is - that's something that humans have been arguing about for at least as long a writing has been around.

> Porn is a pretty major contributor to divorce and otherwise blowing up relationships. Some women will tolerate it for a time, or try to and even claim to succeed. But it eats at them and contributes greatly to their unhappiness.

Here's a crazy idea: maybe you should consider women as real people. A group of individuals who have their own sets of preferences and opinions.

Going to need a lot of actual data that all women think exactly this way.

Further, I'm going to need some serious explanation why it makes sense to go into a marriage where either one person doesn't express their true opinions of porn watching or the other lies about it. It seems irresponsible to enter into a life-long contract without understanding the terms.

> It's another form of infidelity, which is quite infamous in human society since forever.

Viewing porn is only infidelity if it's secret and against the partner's wishes. Generally the problem isn't the actual action, it's the deceit and breaking of a promise that's hurtful in those situations.

> Numerous literature pieces.

Which ones? show your work - I'm not big on "just trust me bro" from internet strangers, especially ones with such weak arguments.

> It's basically a love receptor inhibitor. The deeper you are in it the harder it will be to really love a woman. A real woman requires TLC, a great deal of it, a porn woman does not. How much energy do you thing goes into a relationship if all male sexual satisfaction is tied solely to it's health?

Love receptors... gonna need some serious citations for that to be anything other than a pathetic attempt at giving a shit opinion credibility by faking sciencey words.

Se also the whole bit above about how you really should accept that women are actually people.

> f you've been in it since youth you probably have never experienced the kind of real love I'm talking about. I know because I was there, myself, for years. I walked a life of porn for many years and it's taken many years to overcome that addiction. Night and day.

I'm glad you found something that brings you satisfaction.

I don't see how that means your weaknesses are mine. Your story is evidence that one can find happiness despite the world allowing others to seek their own path. Why do you need to force your view on everyone else - the law doesn't force you to watch porn, you have a choice - why do you need to make other's choices for them? I get it - you were weak and made bad (to you) choices - that really suggests you shouldn't be making choices for anyone else, you aren't great at it (the evidence presented suggests you have a 50% success rate at choosing things wisely).

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by smolder on Thursday May 04, 2023 @12:37PM (#35818186)
> Why do you need to force your view on everyone else

I think it's worth noting they didn't actually advocate for taking away the choice to view porn in their post. They just described perceived harms.

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by jrajav on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:13PM (#35824815)
Except that the context here is a state government inhibiting that choice, and they are clearly advocating in support of the worldview behind that.
Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by davidgh on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:55PM (#35835045)
> a state government inhibiting that choice

A state government inhibiting that choice for minors, which is a well-established practice for all sorts of things. Alcohol consumption, tobacco, driving a car, voting in elections, gambling, and ability to enter into certain types of contracts, to name a few.

Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by nunez on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:06AM (#35825411)
Women watch porn too you know
Re:Searches for VPN Soar in Utah Amidst Pornhub Blockage by locustous on Saturday May 13, 2023 @05:30PM (#35932943)
Yes, but it's pretty small compared to men. I'm ignoring the much smaller case for the moment.