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Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by michaelt on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @01:50PM (#35805440)
So if I transfer a passkey to my Yubikey, which has a single button and no pin, thus achieving 1-factor authentication - is that undetectable to the website?

Because sources like [1] say that "A passkey can replace a password and a second factor in a single step" and "a biometric sensor (such as a fingerprint or facial recognition), PIN, or pattern" - isn't there something in the standard that ensures the second factor is maintained?

[1] https://developers.google.com/identity/passkeys

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by tialaramex on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @02:11PM (#35805695)
If the site insists on UV (User Verification) rather than UP (User Presence) a device which has no way to verify the user should reject that.

If your site insists on the device providing a broad identifying signature (the specification says devices classes identified this way ought to consist of 10k+ devices, and in most cases a manufacturer will just identify particular models, like OK, this the model we made in 2019-2021, now we're re-tooling to make the newer model lets give it a new identifier) and the user agrees (I always refuse if asked, the documentation advises you just don't bother asking) to provide this, then you can see OK, it's a Yubikey Model 6J, I think that's (delete as appropriate) fine / not fine. This is obviously a large piece of extra maintenance work, hence it's advised you should not do it.

Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by Veliladon on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @02:04PM (#35805614)
You wouldn't transfer a passkey to your YubiKey. You would enroll it as another device that can be used to login. Like right now on my Google account I have an iCloud passkey and a Windows Hello passkey since iCloud can't sync a passkey to Windows (yet).
Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by dotancohen on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @03:28PM (#35806606)
Hypothetical political journalist just lost both his Yubikeys when his office and home were both targeted. He still has an off-site backup of his passkey. How would you envision this working?
Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by dwattttt on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @05:11PM (#35807862)
I'm unfamiliar with the particulars of passkeys, but with hardware tokens I've used before, you'd log in ASAP an unenroll the keys you've lost custody of.
Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by cookiengineer on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @04:08PM (#35807090)
So this is basically the same thing like ssh keys?
Re:Passkeys: The Beginning of the End of the Password by Veliladon on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @05:31PM (#35808059)
Exactly. But with some added security.