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Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by liamwire on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:23PM (#35797475)
Given that a sufficiently resourced computer ought to be able to run a subatomic-level simulation of an entire human brain, and while acknowledging the usual counterpoint vis a vis C. elegans/OpenWorm but deeming it irrelevant on longer timescales, your take seems quite arrogant. “Outside the scope of computation” is an awfully broad claim.
Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by garbagecoder on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:50PM (#35797707)
Prove such a simulation can be created with actual hardware, taking relativity into account.
Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by pillefitz on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @12:57AM (#35798182)
You mean silicon-based hardware? What role does relativity play here?
Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by garbagecoder on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @02:43AM (#35798887)
If all your transistors update instantly at any distance, you have less of a problem, but you still have one.
Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by FredPret on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @05:02AM (#35799811)
You don't have to simulate in real-time
Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by garbagecoder on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @01:02PM (#35804814)
No, you don't, but if you're taking all the data at a "subatomic level" you will have so much memory required than unless you have some kind of memory I haven't heard of, it will need to take that into account because the memory alone will have a volume of significant light-time dimensions.

You need something like 3 petabytes just to model the neurons. There are 100 trillion atoms in a neuron. And he said subatomic, so you need some significant factor of that, plus you have to save some state.

So 300 trillion petabytes+ might be a memory the size of the moon. I think relativity does matter at that scale. Also, you will probably have to mine silicon asteroids and invent an AI factory to make the memory, and power it with what, fusion?

So yeah, just model the brain at the subatomic level, bro, it's easy bro, and you're just a naysayer for saying it can't be done, bro.

But, please. If you have a solution to this, don't post it on HN, file a patent. Not just for the model, but for the revolutionary new dense memory, the location of silicon asteroids, the planetary memory factory, the power source for it, and so on.

Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by haneul on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @06:41AM (#35800582)
If you were to try to build such a simulation, given the natural limits of real hardware, wouldn’t some form of relativity be a necessary feature of the simulation to avoid segfaults, rather than something simply to take into account while constructing the hardware?
Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by garbagecoder on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @01:03PM (#35804825)
In what way is that not "taking it into account?"
Re:Google DeepMind CEO Says Some Form of AGI Possible in a F... by haneul on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @07:22PM (#35809190)
In the sense that rather than something to take into account while building the system, it is an emergent property from the fact that any such system has resource limitations.