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Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by rasz on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:09PM (#35795433)
Microsoft never gave them any lifeline. Microsoft was caught shipping stolen Apple Quicktime code and quietly settled with Apple to the tune of $150mil and shipping Apple versions of Office/IE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Canyon_Company https://www.theregister.com/1998/10/29/microsoft_paid_apple_...

"the [QuickTime] patent dispute was resolved with cross-licence and significant payment to Apple." The payment was $150 million."

"Intel gave this code to Microsoft as part of a joint development program called Display Control Interface."

"Canyon admitted that it had copied to Intel code developed for and assigned to Apple. In September 1994, Apple's software was distributed by Microsoft in its developer kits, and in Microsoft's Video for Windows version 1.1d."

Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by whinenot on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:43PM (#35795803)
Fun fact: Steve borrowed my friend's cell phone for this call which became the cover photo.[0]

[0]https://infostory.com/2013/08/18/steve-jobs-thank-you-bill-g...

Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by nl on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:53PM (#35795888)
MS buying Apple stock involved a pretty complicated deal that also involved settling a number of court disputes between the two companies, Apple agreeing to ship Internet Explorer for Mac (rather than Netscape) and MS agreeing to ship Office for at least 5 more years.

At the time and subsequently it was absolutely seen as a lifeline.

For example:

> Providing the biggest sign of hope yet for ailing Apple Computer, Microsoft today announced it was forging a new era of cooperation with its longtime rival that includes an investment of $150 million. [snip] News of the alliance sent Apple's stock up $7 a share, or 35 percent

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19970806&slug...

Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by scarface74 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @08:09PM (#35796010)
And “their new alliance” was to keep shipping Office for the Mac like they had done for the past decade…
Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by nl on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @08:27PM (#35796164)
Yes and/but there was real concern then that they'd stop supporting it which would have killed Mac use in corporate environments where specific version of office compatibility was a huge issue (As anyone who remembers the Office 2.0 vs Office 6 update on Windows will remember).
Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by nl on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @11:27PM (#35797518)
Unclear why people are disagreeing with this. It's outlined in the DoJ "finding of fact":

> Recognizing the importance of Mac Office to Apple's survival, Microsoft threatened to cancel the product unless Apple compromised on a number of outstanding issues between the companies. One of these issues was the extent to which Apple distributed and promoted Internet Explorer, as opposed to Navigator, with the Mac OS.

> At the end of June 1997, the Microsoft executive in charge of Mac Office, Ben Waldman, sent a message to Gates and Microsoft's Chief Financial Officer, Greg Maffei. The message reflected Waldman's understanding that Microsoft was threatening to cancel Mac Office:

> The pace of our discussions with Apple as well as their recent unsatisfactory response have certainly frustrated a lot of people at Microsoft. The threat to cancel Mac Office 97 is certainly the strongest bargaining point we have, as doing so will do a great deal of harm to Apple immediately. I also believe that Apple is taking this threat pretty seriously

[snip]

> Gates then reported that he had already called Apple's CEO (who at the time was Gil Amelio) to ask "how we should announce the cancellation of Mac Office . . . ."

from https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-f... paragraph 345 onwards.

Jobs' deal with MS fixed this problem.

Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by swores on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @08:06AM (#35801329)
> As anyone who remembers the Office 2.0 vs Office 6 update on Windows will remember

I think you're misremembering or mistyping the numbers, unless Wikipedia is wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Office

Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by nl on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @09:37PM (#35810235)
Ah it was Word 2.0 vs Word 6.0 (which was roughly Office 3.0 vs Office 4.0)

Word 2.0 shipped on a lot of Windows NT computers with Office 3.0 and these were the days when there weren't forced updates and you had to pay so it hung around for ages.

Re:Fakespot Is Acquired by Mozilla by swores on Thursday May 04, 2023 @02:15PM (#35819787)
Makes sense!