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Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by ajross on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:25PM (#35777836)
Also antibiotics, immune control drugs, transplant technology, hearing aids, prosthetics, computer-assisted tomography, MRI scans, cancer treatments that actually work, mental health drugs and treatments likewise, ...

This is just wildly wrong. What you're looking at is the "advent of modern medicine". Prior to the middle of the 20th century, doctors were more or less limited to stitching people up after injury. Since then, we can treat... almost everything, honestly. But that's expensive, in particular in regimes like the US that want to provide all that stuff to everyone in the private markets that have the ability to pay for it.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with how the payments are handled. That's just silly.

Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by WalterBright on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:34PM (#35777955)
> This is just wildly wrong.

Funny how it coincides with the very year the government started providing health insurance. Funny how the same thing happened when the government started providing education subsidies.

Funny how the inflation did not happen with medical procedures not covered by the government, such as Lasik eye surgery.

A longish, but good read about this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/09/how-ame...

P.S. Antibiotics came out in WW2, not 1968.

Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by ajross on Monday May 01, 2023 @06:26PM (#35780100)
Are you seriously arguing correlation equals causality? You don't think maybe you have the cause backwards? People desired guaranteed health care in 1968 because in 1968 there was expensive health care worth desiring?
Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by WalterBright on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:52PM (#35783172)
Read the article I cited.
Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by Kranar on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @03:13PM (#35792668)
>Funny how it coincides with the very year the government started providing health insurance.

Government provided health care was introduced in 1965 as part of Title XIX of the Social Security Act under President Lyndon B. Johnson, not in 1968.

Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by dukeyukey on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:30PM (#35777908)
Spending on healthcare rose faster in the US than pretty much anywhere else, at the same time American life expectancy growth slowed down compared to peer nations.

I dunno what went wrong but something did.

Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by ajross on Monday May 01, 2023 @04:29PM (#35778704)
Spending everywhere rose much faster than inflation, though it's true more in the US. And life expectancy in the US rose very rapidly through the 60's and 70's, the period under discussion. It wasn't until the late 80's that we started to fall off the curve.[1]

Your final sentence is just the same point upthread: you want a simple coincidence[2] to make your argument.

[1] There is a ton of analysis and argument to do there too, but suffice it to say that "because medicare" is just as terrible an explanation.

[2] It's not even a coincidence! Desire for government-guaranteed health care came about precisely because of and simultaneous to the availability of late-life care that actually worked. No one wanted medicare in the 20's because there wasn't anything to pay for even if you had it. But they damn sure wanted their walkers and hip replacements in the 60's.

Re:The Socialist Calculation Debate by dukeyukey on Monday May 01, 2023 @05:19PM (#35779315)
No, I literally do not know what went wrong or when. I'm not trying to make a point about government-provided anything. Although government-provided healthcare began quite a bit earlier than that, as early as the 1880s in Germany, but definitely in the 1940s when the UK NHS started.