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Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by jrm4 on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:57AM (#35773660)
Genuine and serious praise for not insisting on sticking with an absurdly embarassing and arguably problematic name that would be likely to hamper adoption for quite some time, unlike a certain other free and open source painting program.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by blauditore on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:05AM (#35773802)
Do you mean Gimp? I don't think that's so relevant. Did Git suffer from the same problem?
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by torstenvl on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:04PM (#35774797)
The Web is an imperfect corpus, but "git" is less commonly used as an insult. Even once you git rid of all the software references with "git -software -version -torvalds -branch -commit -github -repo -repository" your primary definitions are as a synonym for "get," e.g., the top result is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git!

Compare to "gimp -image -org" where the top result is not only an insult, but an ableist one that would instantly land you a trip to HR.

Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by colonwqbang on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:08PM (#35774849)
I guess both are meant to be a kind of joke, calling your software a bad name in jest. But I think the joke works much better in the case of "git". Depending on what you read into it, calling someone a "gimp" is really quite offensive.

git: A silly, incompetent, stupid or annoying person (usually a man).

gimp: A person who is lame due to a crippling of the legs or feet.

Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by chungy on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:28PM (#35775149)
GIMP was so named without an awareness that it coincided with pejorative. It wasn't an intentional joke.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by egypturnash on Monday May 01, 2023 @01:18PM (#35775999)
The acronym was coined first, with the letter G being added to -IMP as a reference to "the gimp" in the scene from the 1994 Pulp Fiction film.[8]

- Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP#History

Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by chungy on Monday May 01, 2023 @01:27PM (#35776161)
The movie in question doesn't even make the pejorative version of the word clear. The best you could come out of it is some weird fetish thing.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by egypturnash on Monday May 01, 2023 @05:20PM (#35779332)
I am an artist who is quite happy for part of her living to be "drawing porn" and I find "The GIMP", considered solely as a word for "a weird fetish thing", to be a singularly tacky name.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by jrm4 on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:22PM (#35782509)
Sure, but let me be clear, I don't think that matters at all.

Again, I'm pretty sure the reason I always get downvoted to hell on this one is because people think I'm being "the thought police" or something. And I suppose it's kind of like that but not really?

Yes, personally, I do argue slightly against the name, but honestly, I lose no sleep on it on a personal level.

What bothers me the most is that GIMP feels like a huge missed opportunity. As in -- let's say for sake of argument that the creators are strongly attached to the name, I don't know, even if it was named after Richard S. Gimp and you wanted to honor him, so you have a theoretically "bulletproof" reason.

On balance, it still AINT WORTH IT. You guys had a SERIOUS shot of eating Adobe's lunch and strongly spreading a much better way to do picture editing, but you screwed it up by staying inside your own bubble. The name was just NOT WORTH KEEPING.

Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by Adj_and_Styles on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:27PM (#35782963)
Does GIMP have a bigger market share in non-English speaking places? Because if it does, then maybe the name is to be blamed. But if usage is similar everywhere, the name does not seem to matter much, or at all, for the (lack of) success.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by jrm4 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @10:11AM (#35787685)
I don't think this is a useful metric; the problem with how tech scales is that multiplicative effects are hard to measure.

But as someone who works in IT between tech folk and regular folk, I immediately percieve that a great number of liminal regular folk are going to 100% nope out of a terrible name like this. Might as well call it Poopy Edit or something like that.

Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by Adj_and_Styles on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @10:54PM (#35797221)
So when people do not understand the meaning of a word and not care about it, because they do not speak that language, the metric is useless instead of a test of "everything else but the name".

My, small but non zero, experience says the reason these speakers of other language declined to use it was because it lacked features and sometimes because "piracy is also free". They pointed the brush system was basic, PS already had effects they used a lot. No adjustment layers, styles or layer groups to be more efficient. Slow processing because it operated in full data always, while PS solved preview first and the rest in background. And many other things. The Mac ones found no issues with the windowing system (no MDI mode then, with everything wrapped by big window), because it matched more what they were used to, but Windows users found it bad because their OS is not designed for it. None cared about what Gimp or Wilber words are, it was "a poor PS clone with a croissant dog mascot".

Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by tekla on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:41AM (#35774400)
What is absurd and problematic about GIMP?
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by Vrondi on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:10PM (#35774885)
Off the top of my head: the word "gimped" is similar in meaning to "handicapped", and if someone "is a gimp", then that could be considered similar to saying someone "is a cripple". Although I have no clue what any of that has to do with Krita.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by teddyh on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:18AM (#35774015)
The name means “Chalk”, and has the same root as “Cretaceous” (the geological period).
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by PrimeMcFly on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:26PM (#35775122)
How is Gimp any different from Nintendo using 'Wii'?
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by jrm4 on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:28PM (#35782979)
Does "Wii" have some possibly 'offensive' meaning I'm unaware of?
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by PrimeMcFly on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:49PM (#35783152)
It's slang for urination and sometimes, slightly less frequently, a penis. Tends to be used more by children.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by jrm4 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @10:16AM (#35787787)
Oh, very different then. The Wii is quite literally also used more by children.

GIMP is professional quality software, and no one will believe it because of the name.

Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by DoItToMe81 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @12:59AM (#35783540)
GIMP's name is great. Had it chosen any other, it would not have stuck in my mind for almost twenty years. The "Ummm akshyually GIMP is an evil slur" crowd is the same as the "Blacklist LITERALLY murders blacks with racism" crowd, so I see very little reason to take it seriously.
Re:Krita is a professional FREE and open source painting pro... by jrm4 on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @10:15AM (#35787759)
Again, wrong -- I'm addressing a different crowd here. As a black person, I'm mostly with you on e.g. blacklist.

I'm thinking about "people in the middle who might pick this up." It's not that it's offensive and hurtful and protecting feelings and whatnot and that's the primary problem.

It's that "possibly offensive" here equates to "incredibly unprofessional."

GIMP is professional quality software and a LOT OF PEOPLE WONT BELIEVE THAT owing to the name. A decent analogy is if it were called Poopy Edit or something like that.