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Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by teo_zero on Monday May 01, 2023 @06:06AM (#35770854)
Question to all commenters who ask for tabs: all modern desktop environments offer powerful window management, which includes navigating between windows of the same application, hiding inactive windows, etc. What's so good about having different documents/sessions in tabs instead of separate windows?
Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by tourist2d on Monday May 01, 2023 @06:10AM (#35770873)
Probably the same answer as to why you would want tabs rather than separate windows in a web browser.
Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by teo_zero on Monday May 01, 2023 @06:16AM (#35770901)
Probably, but I still don't know what this answer is!
Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by layer8 on Monday May 01, 2023 @08:17AM (#35771747)
I actually mostly use separate windows in a web browser, in order to utilize the normal window manager functions (like arranging windows side by side by keyboard as needed), and never quite understood the appeal of tabs. I would understand it more if tabs were a window manager-level feature.
Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by csydas on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:13AM (#35772333)
I think it depends on how tabs are implemented; browser tabs are temporary hold spaces for me, further context within a workspace that I'm exploring. Maybe it's separate research pages for a specific topic, some scratch space, etc.

Real browser tabs I like because if something ends up becoming a new main focus, I drag it to its own window and now it becomes its own workspace with its satellites tacked onto the window as tabs. I can close/re-open them pretty fast with browser history, and it becomes very easy for me to quickly jump in/out of mental work spaces.

However, what I cannot stand are non-browser native tabs that are becoming (?) standard in most web apps. It is very restricting in my opinion and defeats the point of tabs, and instead ends up cluttering the space far too much. The big CRMs are a perfect example of this as it slows down everything so much for me as everything is trapped in a single window, it's very difficult to isolate or preserve tabs, and you lose access to the history.

Terminal on MacOS introduced tabs some time ago and the paradigm still doesn't sit right with me. More or less it's unobtrusive enough (and I enjoy that Apple at least preserves certain accessibility options while shuffling tabs around), but I just can't quite get to the same head-space with Terminal as I can with browsers, probably because CLI is much more concise by nature and has some already pretty good systems in place for multitasking from a single window.

Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by jwrallie on Monday May 01, 2023 @07:42AM (#35771447)
I think windows can map to tabs and shortcuts to bookmarks, so a browser could disappear inside a window manager easily, the concept exists already but I think it could be explored better. If the window manager allows for tabs, programs would not have to implement it.
Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by uberduper on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:41AM (#35772655)
My terminal tabs get titles that I can see. My terminal tab shortcuts are consistent with other apps like browsers. I have workflows that depend on me creating a new tab with a bunch of envvars set and having those envvars replicated to any pane/split I create within that tab.

I use tabbed layout for grouping some things in i3/sway/hyprland like chat apps. It works well but those are things I just open once and don't think about again. Terminals are opened and closed constantly and I don't want to have to think about, or fix, new window positioning. A new tab in the existing window is going to be exactly where I expect it to be and have no impact on the positioning of any other window.

Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by mfranc42 on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:41AM (#35773413)
GNOME doesn't certainly offer that. Maybe, it's just me. But I was unable to handle more than 3 windows at the time. Escaped to sway to solve it.
Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by SkeuomorphicBee on Monday May 01, 2023 @12:44PM (#35775421)
> What's so good about having different documents/sessions in tabs instead of separate windows?

Different hierarchical levels that I can use differently to organise stuff in my mental model:

- Desktops/workspaces: completely different projects.

- Windows: different tasks within a project.

- Tabs: different documents/sessions needed for a single task.

Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by Tommstein on Monday May 01, 2023 @07:31PM (#35780780)
I don't know, do you use tabs in your web browser or do you open a new window for every webpage?
Re:XTerm: It's Better Than You Thought (2021) by teo_zero on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @01:10AM (#35783601)
For cursory tasks like reading a news? Tabs or simply clicking on the link is OK. For pages I have to work in, or even copy data from? new window.