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Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:05AM (#35769866)
> So then no warrants required for them to make these requests, got it.

Not for people who aren't US citizens who live outside the US, no. Is this really news to you? Do you know of any country in the world that requires its intelligence agencies to obtain a warrant for surveilling non-citizens outside its borders?

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by stale2002 on Monday May 01, 2023 @03:48PM (#35778161)
> no

Ok, well a lot of people care about warrants.

You can feel free to not care! But a lot of other people care about warrants.

Therefore, it is good that this stuff was exposed, according to the people who care about warrants.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by lern_too_spel on Monday May 01, 2023 @07:57PM (#35781103)
> Ok, well a lot of people care about warrants.

Including me.

> Therefore, it is good that this stuff was exposed, according to the people who care about warrants.

Once again, no country in the world requires its intelligence agencies to get a warrant to surveil a foreigner outside its borders who has information relevant to national security. This is both legal and something we all expect, and we already knew this before Snowden's leaks. To reveal the code names of systems that ingest this data, Snowden also leaked compromised Chinese computer systems. Is that something we should celebrate?

Even Snowden (and probably 99.9% of all people) would disagree with your position. His statements show he thought he was revealing something other than what his documents actually said.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by stale2002 on Monday May 01, 2023 @08:40PM (#35781509)
> Including me.

Apparently not for this situation. Because in this case, no warrants are required, and you don't care about that.

So the point stands. For a situation like this, there are people who care about getting warrants. And for this situation, you don't care that it does not require a warrant.

You can feel free to not care about warrants for this situation. But a lot of people do. So thats why they care.

> This is both legal

once again, the fact that it is legal is exactly the problem, and why exposing it with leaks was the only solution, if you care about the fact that no warrants were required.

Re:Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer ... by stale2002 on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @12:23AM (#35797994)
> Including me.

Well, you don't for this specific circumstance.

So then you concede that for this specific circumstance, you do not care about getting a warrant.

You can have this opinion, but for people who care about getting a warrant, for this situation, those people would be glad that this stuff was revealed.