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Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by George83728 on Sunday April 30, 2023 @04:49PM (#35766486)
> "police who were near incompetent in their investigation, the forensics people who could barely maintain chain of evidence"

Are you sure they were all bad at their jobs? It's certainly possible. But it's also possible that you simply had unrealistic expectations for what the process looks like, exemplifying the "CSI Effect".

This is why I find these sort of pseudo-anonymous anecdotes very difficult to judge; I know neither the details of the case, nor you personally. It's like trying to get reviews for headphones online... suppose I read a review from somebody who says the headphones sound worse than a skinned cat. Is that review from a typical headphone user with reasonable expectations for sound quality? Or is it from an audiophile with very high, perhaps fanciful, standards? I have no point of reference for determining where that person is coming from.

Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by kasey_junk on Sunday April 30, 2023 @05:14PM (#35766685)
Let’s put it this way, even though they had a full video confession it made it to trial…
Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by overthrow on Sunday April 30, 2023 @05:21PM (#35766735)
Police often manipulate or coerce people into making false confessions. 29% of DNA exonerations in the US involved a false confession.

https://innocenceproject.org/dna-exonerations-in-the-united-...

Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by kevviiinn on Sunday April 30, 2023 @05:46PM (#35766902)
Hence being bad at their jobs
Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by giardini on Sunday April 30, 2023 @10:47PM (#35768582)
This!

A friend, A former police officer, said the most astonishing thing he learned as a rookie was how easily some people would confess to crimes they could not possibly have committed. Such persons were usually not very bright and, after hours of interrogation, could be convinced that they had indeed done a bad deed.

Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by George83728 on Sunday April 30, 2023 @05:16PM (#35766702)
If the accused wants to plead innocent even after confessing, isn't that their right? They're entitled to a trial.
Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by red-iron-pine on Monday May 01, 2023 @08:46AM (#35772047)
Potentially. Confessing to a 5-0 during an interrogation is different from entering a plea of guilty or not guilty.

But given that you just confessed guilt, a not guilty plea is going to raise eyebrows and potentially end badly.

Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by gamblor956 on Sunday April 30, 2023 @06:30PM (#35767150)
It seems like you might have very unrealistic expectations for the criminal justice system.

Defendants are constitutionally entitled to a jury trial. Even if they were caught on 4k video, with their face fully identifiable, their fingerprints all over the blood scene, and they walk straight into a police station afterwards to confess.

A defense lawyer with a client who confessed on video has an extremely difficult job; they must try to present a credible case while also not suborning perjury or violating ethical rules. Very frequently, they're not going to have a "logical" case; they're simply trying to poke whatever holes they can in the prosecution's case...because the Defense is not constitutionally required to prove anything (unless they're attempting to prove an affirmative defense, and if they were you'd know because the judge would explicitly tell you).

On the other hand, if the prosecutor and the police and the forensics guys were all as incompetent as you claim, the defense might have gone to trial despite the taped confession because there was a chance they could prevail with a jury if the prosecution messed up presenting the case. I won most of my jury trials because the prosecution messed up.

Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by kasey_junk on Monday May 01, 2023 @09:00AM (#35772180)
Your last paragraph was my point. The incompetence of the investigation left a chance at trial even though there was a taped confession.

If the investigation had been just workmanlike or followed basic protocols I cant imagine any defense attorney would have wanted to take it to trial. Though perhaps they still didn’t want that but their client demanded it. I of course couldn’t know that.

Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by gamblor956 on Monday May 01, 2023 @01:25PM (#35776129)
In your original post you straight up accused everyone of being incompetent when the most likely situation was that the Defendant simply wanted to have his day in court because he knew he'd be going to prison anyway and just wanted to mess around and see what would happen.

It's very likely that the prosecution and defense had a plea deal that fell through at the last minute when the Defendant unilaterally decided to go to trial, necessitating a trial that neither side had prepared for. It's basically what's been happening with Twitter for the past several months, and we don't all assume that the staff at Twitter is incompetent.

Don't assume incompetence about something you know nothing about.

Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by tptacek on Monday May 01, 2023 @10:57PM (#35782749)
He was there at this trial, and served on the jury. The entire affair is an abstraction to you. You can't high-horse this; it doesn't even make sense to.
Re:More people are getting away with murder. Unsolved killin... by kevviiinn on Sunday April 30, 2023 @05:48PM (#35766908)
Or is it coming from someone who thinks the original airpods are cream of the crop?