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Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by s1artibartfast on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:51AM (#35763726)
I always find statements like this to be a strange rhetorical tactic of debate.

They presuppose that a personally held view, and oftentimes fringe one, is universally true and accepted and then make a bold unsupported criticism.

The charitable take is that people making them don't know that their view is controversial and think it is shared fact.

The less charitable take is that they are intentionally misleading, and doing it as a debate tactic to claim ground while avoiding discussing the real disagreement.

Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by memonkey on Sunday April 30, 2023 @12:30PM (#35764127)
All throughout history, it is usually another society who comes in and takes an already occupied land by force and then charges a fee for the previous people to continue using it. Then there are complex laws set up to make it impossible for these previous people's to own their land again, becoming indebted in one way or another. After a while, after this land has been transferred, typically amongst the families of those who first took the land (or their friends), some people forget this history or are ignorant of it, and just go along with what has been done for years. Inevitably, those with the excess monetary value gained from rent is used to expand and establish these kinds of societal institutions so that it is part of the zeitgeist and thus a controversial take to think this kind of institution is an immoral, or bad, or exploitative one.
Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by NLPaep on Sunday April 30, 2023 @01:12PM (#35764545)
Source?
Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by memonkey on Sunday April 30, 2023 @03:32PM (#35765857)
I believe you can Google "landlord history" and you'll get a plenty of results with some brief history of the term.

If you want to read further, look at history on colonization or apartheid which sets up these types of infrastructures or variations of it. History w/ Native Americans and what is going on in Israel are two recent/ongoing examples.

As for pre-capitalist history, you can look up "feudal land tenure", and before that is just different concepts of modes of land ownership across different geographies.

Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by skinnymuch on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:14PM (#35768733)
Is there a source that goes against this? I went to history class and I’ve read Wikipedia and stuff.
Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by skinnymuch on Sunday April 30, 2023 @11:13PM (#35768730)
Are you saying that Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, and Karl Marx, the father of socialism and communism, both think like the above person, but they are the ones misleading?

Being a landlord is an economic and political matter. To pretend the status quo of current hierarchies is fine to go with because it is the status quo belief is an awful way to live. Imagine if any radicals you admire in history behaved this way.

Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by s1artibartfast on Monday May 01, 2023 @11:41PM (#35783084)
Both Smith and Marx state their priors, and neither assume that their option is commonly held.

It is like if Marx's Manifesto was one page saying "everyone knows landords are bad"

On the topic of radicals, there are a lot that I don't admire and were atrocious. being against the status quo is not inherently virtuous. Imagine if X mass murderer just respected the status quo.

you can be for challenging hierarchies, the status quo, and a more dynamic socio-economic structure without making yourself slave to your neighbor.

I know this is an old comment (for HN) but I will check back in 24 hours)

Re:Rate The Landlord: Anonymously share information with ten... by skinnymuch on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @01:01PM (#35804798)
I will contact you for sure.

- I’m unhoused and identify as a lumpenprole. - Everything is a spectrum imo. - I was referring to radicals that aren’t radlib or fascist leaning.

I’d be interested in the email I send you and a response on which orthodox left-wing radicals were atrocious. Or if we agree that those specific radicals were not atrocious but many others are.

Awesome being director of a coop! Though IME most housing coops are exclusionary and not remotely democratic*

*I mean real democracy, not what neoliberal countries have.