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Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by LazyMans on Saturday April 29, 2023 @03:58PM (#35756570)
It is not too cold in New York for heat pumps. With 20 year old technology yes, it would have required supplemental heat. Not anymore though, not until you get down around -25/-30f, at that point a resistive heater kicks in to assist.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by lumb63 on Saturday April 29, 2023 @04:04PM (#35756619)
Perhaps I worded my comment incorrectly. Yes, heat pumps can work in New York. But, a backup heat system in that climate would be prudent.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by bitexploder on Saturday April 29, 2023 @04:42PM (#35756962)
We live in Denver and saw -10, -15 this winter. Our heat pump is 100% efficient down to -10, and still reasonably efficient at -25. Our whole house is on it. No gas.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by LazyMans on Saturday April 29, 2023 @04:09PM (#35756661)
Auxiliary heat is built into a heat pump due to the need for a defrost cycle. The auxiliary is the backup.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by timssopomo on Saturday April 29, 2023 @10:33PM (#35759233)
I live in upstate NY - plenty of people rely on heat pumps as a primary source. You need backup systems for natural gas and oil in this climate too, for what it's worth. They won't run when the power goes out.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by catiopatio on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:20PM (#35757311)
What happens, exactly, when everyone’s resistive heater kicks in, the grid is overloaded, and we wind up with rolling blackouts in -30 weather?
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by blkhawk on Saturday April 29, 2023 @05:35PM (#35757450)
The same as when all the gas burners kick in at the same time - everything turns mauve and explodes.
Re:New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Bui... by blkhawk on Saturday April 29, 2023 @06:05PM (#35757716)
Its really hard not to be maximally sarcastic when faced with this type of "what if"...

I mean cities do not work because "what if everybody decides to leave at the same time -and I mean everybody".

"What if its really hot and everybody turns on their aircon at the same time"

Gas heating is inefficient when compared to heat pumps and gas stoves are extremely inefficient when compared to say an induction stove. It simply will not make sense to install them very soon. A heat-pump is really just an air-conditioner with very few extra bits stuck on so houses might have everything in place already. And the grid isn't collapsing because of that.

As for the ban - there might be market forces at play that would make gas real cheap for a time - this would lead to an inclusion in practically all new buildings. But it fairly certain that after that gas will get expensive and supplying it at the individual building level might get less reliable. This will cause a liability because the state will probably be called to fiance the mitigation of that.

Actually I think this will happen regardless. So the ban is simply a way to prevent it getting more costly than it already will be.