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Re:Upward Farms throws in towel ten years after founding ver... by JoeAltmaier on Friday April 28, 2023 @08:06AM (#35740272)
That ship has sailed? The cost of food is a great estimate of it's cost in electricity etc. Techno-farming cost more, in fuel and resources.

And those gigantic ships? The absolute cheapest (in fuel) way to move goods, responsible for essentially every advance in living in the last century.

It's easy to mark 'profit' as 'evil' but senseless to do so, as it correlates so closely with fuel etc. You want to find an egregious waste of resource to do something that can be done much simpler, well, look no further than 'vertical farming'

Re:Upward Farms throws in towel ten years after founding ver... by lifeonlars on Friday April 28, 2023 @10:47AM (#35741911)
> The absolute cheapest (in fuel) way to move goods, responsible for essentially every advance in living in the last century.

This is a very distorted view of technological and human progress.

A huge factor in improvements in global standards of human living over the last century has been improvements in health care: hygiene, vaccination, antibiotics, basic medication, birth control and health education.

Far from being dependent on either the profit motive or global trade, they are largely public goods, have overwhelmingly been provided outside of private enterprise, and do not in the main depend on goods being transported globally.

Re:Upward Farms throws in towel ten years after founding ver... by JoeAltmaier on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:28AM (#35742438)
The distribution of goods is vital to every part of that? Making it cheap enough to reach every citizen of Earth is what shipping containers have made possible.
Re:Upward Farms throws in towel ten years after founding ver... by svnt on Friday April 28, 2023 @11:48AM (#35742803)
Once a certain level of manufacturing competence is distributed throughout the world this need no longer exists. Information travels faster than freight.
Re:Upward Farms throws in towel ten years after founding ver... by smolder on Friday April 28, 2023 @12:36PM (#35743682)
Manufacturing of some goods still needs to be centralized to some degree because of the up front cost of tooling, e.g. extreme ultraviolet lithography machines and giant multi-megaton presses, among other things.
Re:Upward Farms throws in towel ten years after founding ver... by lifeonlars on Friday April 28, 2023 @02:26PM (#35745203)
Obviously every human activity is somehow related to 'the distribution of goods'.

Are these healthcare advancements closely related to either private enterprise or modern globalized logistics? Clearly not, as in many cases they took place without either, due to local conditions. For around half the world these advances took place before shipping containers.

Health education, hygiene and birth control generally rely on the transmission of information and ideas but not of goods. The other three have been successful, in at least some cases, as public goods, advanced outside of the private sector. In many other cases they have happened because of, not despite, local rather than globalized manufacturing and distribution.