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Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday April 27, 2023 @02:52PM (#35732883)
They're designing the products for maximum safety and performance. It was never in the cards to make it open. It's easy to cast blame but without that requirement in the spec, they didn't budget effort to make it so.

The law essentially means the code is open. A huge change, that will take years and millions to achieve?

Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by wewtyflakes on Thursday April 27, 2023 @03:34PM (#35733410)
(As an outsider looking in) I think Deere's (and many other companies) financial incentives more align with product gatekeeping, than with maximum safety and performance; maximum safety does not pay Deere's bills, but service appointments do.
Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by eganist on Thursday April 27, 2023 @03:31PM (#35733381)
It kinda just sounds like you're content with family farms not existing, because all of your points fail to address the economic realities for these farms.
Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by gjsman-1000 on Thursday April 27, 2023 @03:48PM (#35733599)
> They're designing the products for maximum safety and performance. It was never in the cards to make it open.

Well, then, that was stupid of John Deere and makes them a victim of their own arrogance. Period. There wouldn't be a law right now if John Deere hadn't unnecessarily, by their own actions, pissed off so many people in the process of increasing "safety" and "performance". As though anybody complained about the lack of "safety and performance" in the century-long history of tractors before computers came along and saved us.

Let's be clear here: John Deere, a multi-billion dollar company, isn't the victim here, but the aggressor against family farms, good intentions or not. Mourning for them is absurd.

> A huge change, that will take years and millions to achieve?

Nope. It's as easy as clicking "Publish" on the repositories and setting the Dropbox folder to "Public." I could do it in 15 minutes. Any legal review or trade secret review or whatever else is entirely the company protecting their own interests. John Deere has done that long enough, a hard deadline is their self-inflicted penalty.

Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by JoeAltmaier on Friday April 28, 2023 @08:11AM (#35740330)
I am concerned about the safety of the rest of us. It gets lost in the partisan yelling.
Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by crmd on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:03PM (#35733788)
Safety and performance are elements of the cover story not drivers of the product strategy.
Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by IntelMiner on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:04PM (#35733797)
>They're designing the products for maximum safety and performance

How do you know this. Do you work for Jon Deere? Since the code is closed source that's simply an assumption

Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by shagie on Thursday April 27, 2023 @05:26PM (#35734828)
Product liability for industrial and agricultural equipment gets interesting.

You can modify a household lawn mower and if you get maimed by it by those modifications, you're at fault.

However, for industrial equipment if you can modify it - the manufacturer is likely liable. Consider how often you hear about deaths due to manufacturing defects (the stats for deaths for framers is 60 - 70 per year per 100,000 in the US).

https://www.wkw.com/farming-accidents/blog/farming-accidents... (personal injury lawyer site)

Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by zopa on Thursday April 27, 2023 @08:12PM (#35736070)
> However, for industrial equipment if you can modify it - the manufacturer is likely liable.

That’s interesting if true, but do you have a better source (ideally, a court case)? I don’t see that theory of liability discussed anywhere on the page you linked.

Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by shagie on Thursday April 27, 2023 @08:13PM (#35736079)
Product Liability in the Farm Equipment Industry - https://youtu.be/NdN577BbnSY

It also has two case studies in it.

Re:Colorado governor signs tractor right-to-repair law oppos... by jitix on Thursday April 27, 2023 @04:32PM (#35734130)
This legislation is more akin to allowing you to repair your PC and replace a damaged RAM module.

I don’t think any farmer is looking to tinker with the control software, and even if they want they should be able to tinker considering it’s their property and their farmland and only they themselves are liable for any damages caused to neighbours or otherwise.

John Deere is just trying to create artificial barriers and extract more value from existing customers.