Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by pg on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:33PM
(#357333)
They're changing this page as we're commenting on it. The stuff about tax credits wasn't there the last time I looked. They've also changed the wording about "requiring" certain numbers of hours.
They seem to be making this stuff up on the fly...
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by tesseract on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:41PM
(#357342)
If "making this stuff up on the fly" means "revising the policy proposals based on complaints from the public solicited via the Internet", then: bravo!
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by ksvs on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:49PM
(#357355)
Yeah, but it would be better if their first drafts showed a little more thought.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by tdavis on Saturday November 08, 2008 @09:03AM
(#357559)
Iteration can work for policy, too. Regardless, I think the take-away here is that people shouldn't write articles like this based off of vague intentions. What someone wants to do, what they think is a good idea now and what actually happens can all be very different things.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by brlewis on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:42PM
(#357345)
I'd sure like to see a statement about who's writing this stuff and how final it is. Still, it's a lot better than secreting the process away behind locked doors, the way our current energy policy was made.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by tptacek on Friday November 07, 2008 @10:16PM
(#357420)
Promotional material on websites isn't policy. I'm sure the actual proposed legislation will give you plenty of ammunition to snipe with.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by rms on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:58PM
(#357370)
The tax credit has definitely been mentioned at barackobama.com for a while.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by nazgulnarsil on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:41PM
(#357343)
that's how progressives operate. their ideology doesn't hold up to close scrutiny so they get very good at dodging and weaving.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by nazgulnarsil on Friday November 07, 2008 @09:52PM
(#357398)
yes! feel the hatred flow through you! strike this comment down and complete your training!
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by rms on Friday November 07, 2008 @10:26PM
(#357425)
you know perfectly well why you are being downmodded
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by nazgulnarsil on Friday November 07, 2008 @11:22PM
(#357446)
I would think something is wrong with the system if all my comments were up voted. most other places my pro-capitalism anti-progressive votes get down voted a lot more than they do here.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by hugh on Saturday November 08, 2008 @09:57AM
(#357580)
And if your comments were better thought out then they might even get upmodded. Generalizations of the form "Ohhh yeah, progressives always do X" aren't useful.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by nazgulnarsil on Saturday November 08, 2008 @11:22AM
(#357615)
generalizations are extremely useful and everyone uses them all the time. people just get a warm fuzzy feeling out of denying the few they are conscious of.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by rms on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:30PM
(#357325)
I think it's pretty damn reasonable. An incredibly good deal, even.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by hugh on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:44PM
(#357349)
A good deal for whom?
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by rms on Friday November 07, 2008 @08:57PM
(#357369)
College students that make less than $40/hour after taxes yet pay exactly $4000 in taxes.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by Xichekolas on Saturday November 08, 2008 @01:03AM
(#357502)
The credit is fully refundable, so it amounts to getting paid $40/hr for a make-work project.
I wonder if there are going to be limitations on that... I could definitely be a student for a few more years if it meant I got paid $40/hr to do what I'd normally volunteer to do anyway.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by rms on Saturday November 08, 2008 @06:24PM
(#357911)
Fully refundable, meaning you get a check back from the government if you aren't paying enough taxes? Awesome, I can't wait for the handouts to begin.
Re:Obama (was) to require 100 hours of community service a y...
by Xichekolas on Saturday November 08, 2008 @06:34PM
(#357919)
Yep. It's a giant $40/hr work-study program. Considering my university only paid work-study kids about $6/hr, this will obviously be very popular.
Apparently, if you refuse, you don't get a tax break.