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Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by KyeRussell on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:03PM (#35695314)
Yep. It really feels like a bunch of kids read up on ‘90s Microsoft, internalised a third-hand wildly simplified definition of ‘antitrust’, and used it to add a moral high-ground angle to what is essentially an iOS power user feature request.

It’s often the first step in a whole lot of doublespeak. “This will set everybody free”, but at the same time, “this doesn’t present a security issue because nobody will use it”.

To be clear, I think that the government should storm Apple Park with buns glazing and force them to do a more reasonable degree of rent-seeking. I’m not going to pretend that this is for any reason other than “I think that 30% is a dick move”.

You don’t just get to pretend that Android doesn’t exist, or that the vast majority of ways that people communicate aren’t cross-platform, or that IOS has any material network effect whatsoever.

So you really end up with two camps, one camp who always stop short of saying “iOS is just better in my eyes, and I want to be able to do more with my phone.” And the other camp is…let’s be honest…Android users. And the mere fact that there’s so many people in this camp I think directly contradicts any assertion that there’s a monopoly in the first place.

Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by fsckboy on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:22PM (#35695451)
you're not exactly agreeing with GP, you are going overboard, the court said these types of cases are covered by antitrust, but that Epic had failed to make its case. (like, murder is still illegal even if a particular case is not made)

But it said ... that Epic, regardless, had “failed to establish, as a factual matter, its proposed market definition and the existence of any substantially less restrictive alternative means for Apple to accomplish the procompetitive justifications supporting iOS’s walled-garden ecosystem.”

In other words, while these types of contracts can be within the scope of a Sherman Act claim, that wasn’t relevant to the court’s decision in this case.

Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by dgoldstein0 on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:17PM (#35695822)
"buns glazing"

Lol typo or intentional?

Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by techdragon on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:40PM (#35695959)
I love how autocorrect mistakes sometimes just come out sounding like rhyming slang… a less obtuse version than most real dialects of rhyming slang, more understandable by most people.
Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by jay_kyburz on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @12:42AM (#35696568)
There was an AI thread a few days ago about how Open AI could not come up with a catchy slogan for selling hot cross buns in the UK. Could be a reference to the thread, or the actual slogan used in the UK.
Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by techdragon on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @02:06PM (#35704336)
It’s an interesting shortcoming of the large language models that they struggle to “play” with the rules of the language very much. I’ve tried to get GPT 3, 3.5, and 4 to generate business names and other names for things and it’s not particularly good at it. It frequently “runs out of creativity, and starts to repeat the same combination of basing building blocks. The worst example I came up with had moderately specific business names with a particular theme like an “1890s” or “1970s” or “late 1990s computer startup” style of name.. it would frequently run out and start repeating the same building blocks in under 50 examples, the absolute worst started repeating itself at about item 20 and the list gets increasingly repetitive from that point.

I built a modified name generator based on some existing open source code that’s been around for several years now based on GPT2 and sure I couldn’t ask to go give me something with a specific theme… but damn it was way more creative at generating new words that could be names and it was t hard to filter the output to be useful since I could get it locally in batches of thousands overnight.

Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by int_19h on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @09:24PM (#35708760)
On the contrary, I find that GPT - especially GPT-4 - is very good at playing with the rules of the language: https://gist.github.com/int19h/6fa34a86923cd681396393b21b9ab...
Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by techdragon on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @09:35PM (#35708825)
You’ve been much more proscriptive, and given it a larger task than I was trying to highlight, and I can see GPT4 doing well at the kind of task I’ve personally experienced it doing well at.

What I was trying to highlight is the sort of “small task” not, very short essay and feel free to make up specific words using specific linguistics as some guidance.

I’ve seen it make up words in this way too, even without prompting it to allow it to make up a word. I was more trying to highlight that its not particularly good at prompts like “please give me a list of 50 names for a hypersonic aircraft company for my science fiction novel”, counterintuitively it requires significant additional prompt text to expand its creativity in response to prompts like this, and not repeat itself if you ask it for a list of another 50 names.

Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by a_e_k on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @05:53AM (#35698379)
I'm guessing intentional spoonerism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoonerism

Re:Apple wins the antitrust court battle with Epic Games, co... by ddingus on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @01:39AM (#35709957)
I agree with you in that there is no Apple monopoly. What people are seeing as something monopoly like is Apple being able to attract an affluent user base and then keep most of it over very long periods of time.

In some ways, from Apple's point of view, Android does not exist! Android is not doing the same thing Apple is, and most computer manufacturers are not doing what Apple is doing with the Mac either.

Apple likes to sell products to people who will value them in the same way Apple does. A big part of that is Apple makes awful nice stuff! And unlike many other manufacturers, Apple asks for some money on every last bit of that value and Apple gets that money because it is all real value.

I'm typing this on an M1 Air that I got for a song. It's a sweet machine! I said the same thing about the last Mac I owned and used regularly too. Got that one for a song as well. From Apple's point of view, I might as well not exist!

I only value some of the things Apple does and that means I'm unwilling to pay what Apple asks for that value.

We get along just fine too. I'm not paying what Apple wants and I almost never use the app store either. I have the software running on the machine that I want to run, and I can write the programs I want to write, use the peripherals I want to use enjoy media I want to enjoy. No worries.

Unlike many who disagree with Apple on value, I strongly support what Apple does and how they do it. It doesn't impact me one bit, or if it does and let's be real --it probably does, then I don't really notice. From there, it's a hop and a skip to who cares? I sure don't.

Most of the time when I see someone saying Apple is a problem, it boils down to a few great features, or how sexy the hardware is, or some other similar thing. Or I see someone point out how the BOM doesn't seem to add up to them and how that means over the top margins that "the market" does not support meaning something has got to be wrong, rent seeking, monopoly, SOMETHING!!!

The truth is so much more simple and I've already said it:

Apple values their products as fully as they can and Apple charges for all of that value and the fact is there are plenty of people out there who see that value and pay up.

They didn't get ripped off.

They didn't get abused.

They are not the victim in any way really.