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Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by user3939382 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:09AM (#35683555)
I've been a big advocate of them, but they broke their promise to grandfather in users on original plans, they doubled their prices, and have everyone counting the number of searches they make. Until they get a reasonable unlimited price plan I wouldn't use them.
Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by palata on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:52AM (#35683787)
I guess you can't have it all. Either you are the product, or you pay for it.
Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by user3939382 on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:54PM (#35695267)
I'm willing to pay but not $25/month.
Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by palata on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @05:39PM (#35707099)
Well if you wanted to support the idea of paying for your product, you could totally decide to limit Kagi to 10$/month, and switching back to a free (as in "you are the product") alternative when your credit is finished.

Now I'm expecting you to potentially say "I would pay 10$, but I refuse to have to go through the trouble of changing my default search engine twice a month", which brings me an idea:

Actually Kagi should maybe offer that option: after you're done with your monthly credit, they redirect everything to the free engine of your choice. That would provide an easy way for people to support them with the amount they are willing to pay, without having to change anything in their setup.

Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by freediver on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:01AM (#35683834)
As the founder of Kagi, I want to address the recent changes and challenges we have faced.

When we made our initial plans, we believed they were both realistic and sustainable. However, the search market has experienced dramatic changes in the past six months, far more than in the previous 16 years. Additionally, we've been confronted with an economic downturn. As a small, bootstrapped business, Kagi has had to make some difficult decisions to adapt.

We were left with two options:

- Stick to the original plan, which would result in significant financial losses and potentially lead to bankruptcy within a few months.

- Adjust our strategy to ensure the survival and growth of the business.

While we are not pleased with having to alter our plans, we have done our utmost to adapt to these new circumstances. It's important to understand that there are only three ways to fund search services - through advertisers, venture capital, and in Kagi's case, users. That is the reality we must face.

We acknowledge that the rollout of these changes could have been executed more effectively. However, as a small bootstrapped team without a dedicated communications department, we have limited resources. I personally oversee crucial business decisions, manage a fully remote team, and supervise the development of complex software products such as search, browser, and AI solutions. The other day I counted I personally made 5,000 replies to user feedback across kagifeedback.org and orionfeedback.org over the last year and a half. There is only so much one person can do.

We would love to offer unlimited searches for $5, but the reality of the search market dictates otherwise. That said, we are continuously evaluating our pricing structure, and we may update it again as some costs, such as AI, have not been as high as anticipated.

We are determined to navigate these challenging times and maintain a high level of professionalism. We appreciate your understanding and support as we work towards a sustainable future for Kagi.

Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by tannhaeuser on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:17AM (#35683929)
By the changes in the search market, I'm assuming you mean the introduction of ChatGPT and the higher prices Bing is able to command due to bundling it, or rather the brand boost and raise of profit expectations at this time. Which would spell further trouble ahead for kagi and ddg going forward, wouldn't it?
Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by freediver on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:32AM (#35683986)
You are correct, the ascent of ChatGPT and its impact on the search industry has been substantial. Fortunately, the swift commoditization of models (and rising pressure from open-source) is reducing their potential influence to pricing, quicker than we initially anticipated.

On the other handm, we were forced to reassess our approach due to the situation with Bing, which led us to invest further in alternative partnerships and strengthen our own infrastructure. And despite the challenges this transition presented, it ultimately instilled a renewed sense of optimism in our team.

The most difficult aspect of this process has been receiving emails from customers who felt let down by the way we managed the change. We are committed to learning from this experience and improving our communication and execution in the future.

Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by mtlmtlmtlmtl on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:35AM (#35684323)
Have you considered or are you working on building your own index?

I'm not in the space, but that seems to me like the natural way to avoid having your company brought down on a whim by Microsoft, in the long term.

Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by eitland on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:50AM (#35684405)
... or even partnering with someone like search.marginalia.nu?

I'm actually serious. At least I think I check Marginalia more often than bing or ddg or google.

Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by freediver on Monday April 24, 2023 @03:13AM (#35684529)
We actually do partner with Marginalia, through our Teclis index. Marginalia is an amazing project and I hope it continues to grow.
Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by eitland on Monday April 24, 2023 @03:53PM (#35692296)
This is cool, two of my currently favorite projects working together!
Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by jemmyw on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:32AM (#35684313)
Thank you for building Kagi. I've been using it for some time and I really appreciate the product and your transparency. I wish I could use Orion too but the last time I tried I ran into a bug, and although we did interact over support I didn't have time to continue. I'm not convinced the world needs another WebKit browser but I can understand the frustration a search service would have with the existing browsers directing to competitors.
Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by ezekiel68 on Monday April 24, 2023 @04:01AM (#35684847)
I've never used Kagi (only heard of it in this thread) and I'm writing to say, "I believe you." Business models are hard. I can also understand the feelings of the disgruntled; it always sucks to feel like something has been 'taken away'.

Thanks for making paid search for the masses (with funtioning filters, apparently) a reality. By the testimony of many here, your results aren't bad. I'll be giving Kagi a try.

Re:DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results by croutonwagon on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @08:01PM (#35721567)
Based on this thread I signed up for Kagi and migrated my devices to it a couple days ago.

I’m one that’s ardently against subscription culture in most cases but I have to say im quite impressed.

Im currently on the $10 plan. Not sure if im gonna moved to the unlimited but im definately on pace to hit my limit this month. I never realized how much I search. I do wish the 10 dollar plan had annual options. Even without a discount.

I’ve used ddg for a long time. But even still haven’t been a huge fan of changes and I am one that’s happy to support a project in any way that I can get behind and gain something from from. Either via contribution or in a case like this cash.

I hope you all find a path to sustainability.