Re:Researchers Taught Parrots to Video Call Other Parrots
by layer8 on Saturday April 22, 2023 @11:38AM
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My conviction comes from having owned a dog, and realizing after a couple of years that it will never have the life in a pack roaming the lands that it obviously craved (“obvious” after observing its behavior for long enough). I don’t think a healthy co-evolution can be claimed when the animal is not free to act independently, i.e. without being coerced (like being taken on a leash or otherwise physically constrained). I’m more sympathetic to cats as pets, if they can come and go as they please.
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Re:Researchers Taught Parrots to Video Call Other Parrots
by swalling on Saturday April 22, 2023 @11:56AM
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Your conclusion may have been correct about your dog, but extending that to all dogs is pretty large and ridiculous leap. Dogs view their people as family members (which is what a pack is), and many other people’s dogs get to have a healthy group of dog friends as well. You sound like a person who just failed to keep a happy dog and developed a rationalization that all dog ownership is morally wrong.
Dog domestication is generally thought to be an example of commensalism, and potentially mutualism. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2021.6623... In other words, it only happened in the first place because a group of wolves benefited from association with people. Pleistocene hunter-gatherers did not have the physical ability to force a grown wolf to be captive if it did not want to be.
Re:Researchers Taught Parrots to Video Call Other Parrots
by kortilla on Saturday April 22, 2023 @12:39PM
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A dog that requires a leash or an active restraint to prevent it from running away is not representative of dog ownership in general. My dog has no interest in running away and the only time I have to use a leash is when it’s imposed by local ordinance.
If your dog wanted to run away it probably had a shitty life.
Re:Researchers Taught Parrots to Video Call Other Parrots
by mlyle on Saturday April 22, 2023 @01:34PM
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Different breeds, and different dogs within those breeds, have different drives.
I know some dogs that will gleefully run away and explore the woods if given the chance... and then return sheepishly 20-30 minutes later. If they ever do get lost, or someone else "finds" them, etc, it'll be a tragedy.
Re:Researchers Taught Parrots to Video Call Other Parrots
by bagels on Saturday April 22, 2023 @02:31PM
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My nextdoor feed is filled with run away dogs. I think your experience might be slightly less common than you think.