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Re:Tech Bosses Are Letting Dictators Censor What Americans See by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:12PM (#35658592)
> kinda true but really it ...

This isn't what I'm talking about. The agreement means it's not "universal". It's only true because we agree it's true. Can you prove that 1 = 1 or do we have to agree that 1 = 1? If you can't prove it, is it a "universal truth"? I'm asserting that a truth which requires an agreed context[0] is not "universal".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom

Re:Tech Bosses Are Letting Dictators Censor What Americans See by Retric on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:19PM (#35658667)
The universal nature of mathematical truth isn’t dependent on agreement. Instead it’s only universally true when you include all those seemingly unspoken “agreements.”
Re:Tech Bosses Are Letting Dictators Censor What Americans See by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:22PM (#35658720)
> isn’t dependent on agreement

It is by definition. If you disagree, go write a mathematical proof that 1 = 1. There are many in the world who would love to see it.

Re:Tech Bosses Are Letting Dictators Censor What Americans See by Retric on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:27PM (#35658793)
Hardly, there are sets of axioms where 1 = 1 which already show this in exquisite detail.
Re:Tech Bosses Are Letting Dictators Censor What Americans See by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:42PM (#35658963)
I'm not sure what you mean by this, particularly this phrasing: "sets of axioms where 1 = 1". 1 = 1 is an axiom, not something that's proven by any set of axioms.

But I'm willing to believe I'm simply naive here. You say there is some set of axioms which prove that 1 = 1. Are those axioms not agreements? Since you seem to be familiar, what are those axioms?

Re:Tech Bosses Are Letting Dictators Censor What Americans See by Retric on Friday April 21, 2023 @04:33PM (#35659676)
What you are missing is 1 = 1 isn’t inherently true on it’s own.

There are sets of axioms where 1 = 1 is false, different sets where it’s undefined, and finally sets of axioms where 1 = 1 is true.

However, for a given set of axioms there is no choice and nothing to agree upon. That’s what makes math universally true.