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Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by scythe on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:52PM (#35656551)
>This is a little under 2x the density of [the best] current batteries.

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But the best batteries contain unacceptably high levels of cobalt. Practical EV batteries are made with nickel or iron, maybe vanadium someday, and have lower density than pure LiCoO2.

>CATL is already producing a ton of batteries, lending them some credibility.

A couple of years ago CATL claimed that they had figured out how to make durable sodium-ion batteries with a ferricyanide cathode, to be released in 2023. The press cheered about the end of lithium dependence.

Yesterday, not long before this announcement, it was revealed that CATL's "sodium-ion" battery contains lithium:

https://cnevpost.com/2023/04/20/catl-byd-sodium-ion-batterie...

"CATL and BYD's sodium-ion batteries to be put into mass production will both be a mix of sodium-ion and lithium-ion batteries, according to local media."

[sad trombone noises]

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by jackmott42 on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:17PM (#35656995)
My EV with cobalt in the batteries seemed practical to me.

And nothing wrong with having some lithium in their battery. The important thing is how much cheaper is it.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by scythe on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:52PM (#35658297)
Your EV probably has the usual NMC or NCA chemistries which have around 10-20% cobalt. I don't know of any car that uses a 100% LiCoO2 cathode — it's just not practical.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by elihu on Saturday April 22, 2023 @05:32AM (#35664784)
Cobalt is practical if you want to make low millions of cars. It ceases to be practical if you want to make a billion cars. There just isn't enough of it readily available to scale.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by diggernet on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:37PM (#35658092)
While I agree that the blurb you quote strongly implies that the sodium-ion batteries contain lithium, I don't think the article itself really says that.

> CATL and BYD's sodium-ion batteries will both be carried in mass-produced vehicles within the year, and they [the vehicle battery packs] will both be a mix of sodium-ion and lithium-ion batteries, according to a report by local media 36kr today.

By my reading of that, and the rest of the article, it's saying that the vehicle battery will be assembled from of a mix of sodium-ion and lithium-ion battery cells, not that the sodium-ion cells contain lithium.

> With its pioneering AB battery system integration technology, CATL has achieved a mix of sodium ion and lithium ion, allowing them to complement each other and thus increase the energy density of the battery system, Huang said at the time.

Basically, a "battery system" using only sodium-ion cells does not yet have enough energy density to support their range targets, so they are using a mix of cell types to improve the energy density and increase the vehicle range.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by bagels on Saturday April 22, 2023 @12:35PM (#35668267)
What makes the Cobalt unacceptable?