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Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by JumpCrisscross on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:48AM (#35655557)
> as soon as sideloading is allowed, sideloading will become required by the most popular apps

Bingo. Chiefly worried about Facebook and my folks. As well as compliance deciding everyones' personal phones need antivirus spyware.

That said, I think Apple has the playbook with SIP on Macs: make it scary to disable and clearly in power user territory.

Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by RedOrGreen on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:52AM (#35655625)
Oof, yes, I didn't even mention corporate compliance.
Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by stametseater on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:15PM (#35655979)
How hard is to to simply not install the Facebook app? I've been choosing to not use facebook for nearly 20 years. If somebody tries to socially pressure you, just say no. If they press, explain your reasoning and reassert the "NO" until they leave you alone. Good friends won't try to bully you into something after you've explained yourself; anybody who does is an asshole and you can tell them that.

> corporate compliance

I've never enrolled any of my personal devices in any sort of corporate network, and I never will. Just say no.

Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by alasarmas on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:31PM (#35656201)
You can’t “just say no” to network effects, though. If you’re trying to, for example, attend a pickup game of baseball, and that game is organized on a Facebook group, what is your alternative? If you’re trying to get a job, and the recruiters are on LinkedIn, what’s your alternative? You have to go to where the other people are, in general…
Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by stametseater on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:43PM (#35656410)
Have somebody on the team [e]mail out the schedule like has always been done. It's not hard. If you feel the need to explain yourself, just tell them Facebook facilitates genocides in Asia or something like that.

If you actually try saying no, you'll find that it's actually easy.

Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by quenix on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:19PM (#35657025)
> If you actually try saying no, you'll find that it's actually easy.

And you become the pain-in-the-ass of every friend group and professional circle. No one likes dealing with annoying people like this.

Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by stametseater on Friday April 21, 2023 @04:29PM (#35659629)
> Your friends don't like you

No u.

Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by stale2002 on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:43PM (#35656413)
> You can’t “just say no” to network effects, though

Oh? So are you saying that monopoly power is a real thing, and that a company like Apple can extract a 30% monopoly fee, because of this network effect?

The problem with this argument is that Apple fans on one hand have been smugly commenting for a decade, "go but an Android" or "just don't publish on the iPhone" .

And now, they are turning around and suddenly discovering what market power is.

If Apple had merely reduced their 30% fee to 5% from the beginning, we wouldn't be in the situation.

But thems the breaks. Now every Apple fans will have to hear the same exact argument, that they used against others, for a decade, thrown back in their face.

Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by unionpivo on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:45PM (#35656445)
My way of doing it is to just say to people hey, can we use thus instead I can't use FB for ... reasons, here let me help you install it.

I had problems with that only once. I guess it depends on people you are around with. But most people have different groups of friends on different apps already so it's usually no big deal.

Re:Apple’s fight against iPhone sideloading was pointless at... by 29083011397778 on Friday April 21, 2023 @10:01PM (#35662622)
Sure, but a web-browser works well enough