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Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by mdp2021 on Friday April 21, 2023 @05:02AM (#35651327)
First of all, the poster was writing about the legal elimination of an option, which is does not fit such reduction.

Some people value the qualities that the current (pun happened) alternatives do not offer: they are inadequate for some use cases. This includes long travel and refuelling in minutes.

Furthermore, since societies are now suffering an epidemic of lunacy, electric cars can be extreme noise pollutants, because insane manufacturers and users have turned them into a loud cacophonic concert - I have seen them. They can be unbearable.

They also seem to be internet connected in a staggering amount of cases, and many refuse to drive "a smartphone with wheels", or more explicitly a madness with uselessly installed security holes and privacy compromisers. This is especially relevant for The Car, the device that was built for deliverance - "our way to escape", as Karl Kraus said.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by matsemann on Friday April 21, 2023 @07:29AM (#35652249)
> Furthermore, since societies are now suffering an epidemic of lunacy, electric cars can be extreme noise pollutants, because insane manufacturers and users have turned them into a loud cacophonic concert - I have seen them. They can be unbearable.

Well, isn't it then peoples choice to do that? Or do you instead argue for a ban of EVs? I don't get this point.

I've never heard an electric car making more noise than the road noise. Which of course is annoying in itself going at high speeds, but still less than an ICE. What you're describing is absolutely not something of the ordinary. ICEs revving their engine in residential streets, however...

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by mdp2021 on Friday April 21, 2023 @10:40AM (#35654448)
> Well, isn't it then peoples choice to do that?

No, you cannot have any freedom to be uselessly bothersome. That is basic in social rules. If you are missing that evidence, it is because societies have become extremely lax (it's called a downfall).

> making more noise than the road noise

The topical noise is that which comes from the additional, artificial noises that are placed to warn the surrounding beings of the traffic, as a consequence of the fact that the vehicle would be less noisy because of the absence of the engine.

In a normal car you have the "natural" mechanical noises (hopefully muffled), whereas the lunatics have placed in a number of models a broadcast background sound that you could - if you never heard it - be assimilated to the starting sounds of operating systems in the nineties. Only, permanent during the running of the vehicle. The new noise is not "grey" as it was, but textured, like a chord of synthetic strings.

So, the prospect is of having streets full of running loudspeakers shouting their own unnatural chords. Which also means that even if you decided to live in an isolated spot you should not remain less then a few miles away from any street, if legislation and good un-common sense will not intervene.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by thelastgallon on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:34AM (#35655305)
> electric cars can be extreme noise pollutants

walk, bike and horse are better solutions for noise, not ICE cars. Ban all cars?

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by mdp2021 on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:55AM (#35655669)
No: ban stupidity.

Solutions are chosen for the balance in cost, risks and benefits. Noisy but useful, within boundaries, ok. (Note: some of us are bothered already by motorways miles away when in otherwise isolated woodlands - but we are aware that traffic somehow must flow, and know that we have to select more distant places.)

Electric cars are becoming a massive threat in terms of noise pollution because people have become dumb and passive - cannot perceive and cannot react. The issue is not intrinsic in the technology, but it is part of reality: opportunity for madness + latent madness → disaster.

> not ICE cars

You do not seem to understand: the noise some fools put into electric vehicles is completely different. As in, "not a hum but brass" - where "hum" can be annoying and "brass" will surely be. See my other post nearby.