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Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by nixass on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:27AM (#35650738)
No, not for another ~15 years and then I'll still be able to buy ICE car. EVs in current state are not so good and what's even worse new ICE cars are becoming shittier and shittier because of restrictions imposing on them
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by pelorat on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:33AM (#35650786)
In ~15 years if you buy an ICE you also need to afford the gas.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by bsaul on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:50AM (#35650904)
in 15 years there will be so few ice cars on the roads that gas could very well be cheaper than electricity.

Finding a gas station may be problematic ( although i doubt truck will move to electricity that soon)

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by Moldoteck on Friday April 21, 2023 @04:34AM (#35651157)
I would say it depends on the country. Russia is still a major exporter of petroleum goods and can make the price very appealing to it's neighbors (but yeah, after they started the war, the situation is not so strightforward)
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by frant-hartm on Friday April 21, 2023 @05:02AM (#35651331)
Average car age in US and EU is somewhere around 12 years. EVs are still a minority (growing, but less than 50 % and it will stay that way for a few years).

Most of the ICE cars sold now will be on the roads in 15 years.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by vardump on Friday April 21, 2023 @08:21AM (#35652641)
At some point dramatically lower demand will start to push the gas price higher.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by bluGill on Friday April 21, 2023 @09:32AM (#35653472)
Not really because some amount of a barrel of oil is gasoline. The other uses of oil will still want their fraction and be willing to pay. The refineries will need to get rid of the parts of the crude that doesn't have a market to sell to the market they have.

There will of course be much less refineries. The other uses of oil are small niches, and so the world needs one-two small refinery to supply their needs. So there will be price shocks as the large refineries close.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by rootusrootus on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:08PM (#35656840)
The reverse scaling will be the problem more than the commodity price. As gas stations close, finding a refueling place will similar to what early adopters of EVs faced, but without the ability to do >90% of fueling at home or anywhere else the electrical grid reaches. Although maybe it'll become a thing for some people to store tanks of gasoline at their home. At that point I'd trade for a diesel vehicle, though, if I had a hard requirement of an ICE.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by bluGill on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:02PM (#35657638)
Farmers already keep tanks around to refuel at home. As do several of the other niches that I see as more likely to keep a gasoline car. If you live in the city you won't have a place to store fuel - but also won't need to since an EV is more likely to meet your needs.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by Akronymus on Friday April 21, 2023 @04:38AM (#35651181)
My biggest problem is that they target the individuals, rather than the actual big polluters. (Hell, carbon footprint was coined by the oil lobby.)
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by paconbork on Friday April 21, 2023 @09:12AM (#35653213)
Who do you think purchases the products that heavy industry makes?
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by DennisP on Friday April 21, 2023 @09:40AM (#35653582)
> EVs in current state are not so good

Well then, good thing the world's largest battery maker is starting to mass-produce batteries with twice the energy density.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by nixass on Friday April 21, 2023 @10:33AM (#35654358)
It solves only one of multiple problems new generations of cars (EVs especially) are facing
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by jader201 on Friday April 21, 2023 @11:59AM (#35655737)
As an EV owner, I'm not sure what problems you're referring to.

Sure the infrastructure has a bit to catch up, but even without infrastructure, we're completely fine to use our EV for 90% of our commute (and our ICE car the other 10%).

But if density -- thus range -- were to double, infrastructure becomes even less of a dependency.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by loeg on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:59PM (#35657606)
It's the main problem, as far as I can tell. I guess charging / "pump" time is an issue for cross-country road trips, but my personal needs would be entirely met by home charging.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by nixass on Friday April 21, 2023 @10:34PM (#35662840)
Home charging isn't a thing for vast majority of car owners
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by DennisP on Saturday April 22, 2023 @08:31AM (#35665961)
Anyone with a house and an EV can do it. I don't have an EV yet but some friends just stayed for a week with a rented Tesla, and charging it up in the garage every night worked great, even with just a regular 120V outlet available.
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by nixass on Saturday April 22, 2023 @11:20AM (#35667477)
> Anyone with a house

So how many people is that? Don't estimate house ownership or house rents on your circle of friends. What about cities, apartments with no means to install chargers? World is not urban sprawl where houses have garage and power available for charging cars.

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by DennisP on Saturday April 22, 2023 @12:53PM (#35668492)
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by nixass on Saturday April 22, 2023 @11:06PM (#35672968)
Got it, world is America.

Also, the way North Americans are developing their dwellings and neighborhoods/suburbia is absolutely horrible

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by DennisP on Sunday April 23, 2023 @10:19AM (#35676442)
As of 2019, 53.3% of Europeans lived in houses: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/flats-houses-types-ho...

"In 2008, it was estimated that six out of ten Japanese lived in single-family houses." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_in_Japan

I'm not going to keep googling this for everywhere but in developed countries at least, it doesn't appear that "home charging isn't a thing for vast majority of car owners."

Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by zip1234 on Friday April 21, 2023 @12:37PM (#35656312)
EVs are amazing already. Great performance, quiet, convenient for many use cases. How are ICE cars getting 'shittier'?
Re:World’s largest battery maker announces major breakthroug... by rootusrootus on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:04PM (#35656773)
You should buy what works best for you. But if you really believe an EV is not better than an ICE car in nearly all objective metrics, you are doing yourself a disservice.