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Re:Google DeepMind by danans on Thursday April 20, 2023 @02:52PM (#35644490)
> gmail.zip

Despite what people often write and believe here, the access controls on PII data at Google are incredibly strict. You can't just arbitrarily train on people's personal data. I know, because when I was there, working on search backend data mining, in order to get access to anonymized search and web logs, I had to sign paperwork that essentially said I'd be taken to the cleaners if I abused the access.

> What gives, Google? Get on it

It's a very difficult decision to intentionally destabilize the space you are the leader in, for all the reasons you can imagine. In a sense, Google needed someone else with nothing to lose to shake up the space. How they execute in the new reality is yet to be seen. The biggest challenge they may have right now isn't technological, but that "ChatGPT" has become a sort of brand, like Kleenex and well, Google.

Re:Google DeepMind by Keyframe on Thursday April 20, 2023 @02:59PM (#35644578)
You're right on both accounts.

However, whatever's going on inside I still strongly believe in that company! Sometimes though it just feels like they don't themselves.

Re:Google DeepMind by paulkon on Thursday April 20, 2023 @03:14PM (#35644804)
Well put, the brand awareness of ChatGPT is the biggest challenge they have now.
Re:Google DeepMind by emilsedgh on Thursday April 20, 2023 @04:11PM (#35645631)
I don't think it is.

I'd prioritize their problems like this:

1. LLM's don't have a lucrative business model that Google needs.

2. The quality of their language model is really lacking as of now.

You fix 1 and 2, ChatGPT's branding is nothing. Google is the biggest advertisement machine in the world and they can market the hell out of their product. Just see how Chrome gained ground on Firefox for example.

Google is still used several folds more than ChatGPT and if you resolve 1 and 2, Google will make their money and their users have no incentive to go to ChatGPT.

Re:Google DeepMind by dmix on Thursday April 20, 2023 @04:17PM (#35645704)
Meh people would much prefer to be typing their prompts into a Google search box than opening a separate GPT app. I doubt there real issue here is a marketing one. Despite ChatGPT's massive growth numbers the market is pretty immature, it's still very much open and not yet decided.

Many markets had early leaders who got stomped by later entrants.

Re:Google DeepMind by twobitshifter on Thursday April 20, 2023 @08:59PM (#35648588)
I once thought google+ would start grabbing everyone visiting google’s homepage and catch up to facebook’s network effect.
Re:Google DeepMind by amf12 on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:35AM (#35650431)
Social space vs enterprise space. How many companies would want llms integrated with their corporate data, but need trust about the data not being leaked?

Microsoft and Google both have the capability and trust to make this available. When corporates start paying for LLMs, per user, or for applications, both Google and Microsoft and the two companies are in the best position.

All other industries will be users paying for LLMS model access.

Re:Google DeepMind by illiarian on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:26PM (#35646593)
> Despite what people often write and believe here, the access controls on PII data at Google are incredibly strict. You can't just arbitrarily train on people's personal data.

And yet Google is the largest online advertiser in the world. And yet, GMail used to (I don't know if it still does) push ads into people's inboxes.

I have as much belief in their PII controls as in their "Don't be evil" motto.

Re:Google DeepMind by Lacerda69 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @06:59PM (#35647675)
i used gmail since the beta and never saw an ad there, what are you talking about?
Re:Google DeepMind by illiarian on Friday April 21, 2023 @01:24AM (#35650052)
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https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en

When you open Gmail, you'll see ads that were selected to show you the most useful and relevant ads. The process of selecting and showing personalized ads in Gmail is fully automated. These ads are shown to you based on your online activity while you're signed into Google. We will not scan or read your Gmail messages to show you ads.

...

To opt-out of the use of personal information for personalized Gmail ads, go to the Ads Settings page

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They literally train their datasets on people's personal data.

Re:Google DeepMind by Lacerda69 on Saturday April 22, 2023 @04:48AM (#35664558)
oh my bad i probably opted out right from the start then + heavy use of adblockers