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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by gtop3 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @02:52PM (#35644488)
I am really excited by the broadband consumer label the FCC is working on [0]. I think we need to see more government enforced highly-standardized labeling of products and packaging. I'd ideally like to see such labeling be expanded to food packaging, food processing facilities, cosmetics, soaps/detergents, clothing/clothing processing, jewelry, wearable tech, furniture, bedding, tobacco, alcohol, cannabis, vape liquid, vape devices, housing materials and essentially anything that comes into prolonged contact with the human body or is designed to be ingested by the human body. Some of these already have labeling provided, but I find it to be mostly inadequate for the type of information I want to know before consuming.

We should have a "inform consumer first" attitude for product ingredients, packaging, and manufacturing conditions. Trade secrets should being a distant second concern with increased liability for undisclosed information.

In regard to PFAS and general plastic concerns, I've started limiting my exposure to plastic products. This process started 5+ years ago. It is essentially impossible to eliminate plastic. I am focusing on food packaging, textiles, housing finishes, and computer input devices.

Edit: Exact information that would adjust my consuming behavior: "Which pesticides were used in growing this food", "what is the exact type of plastic this bottle is made out of", "was this beverage or it's primary ingredients stored in plastic before being bottled in glass"

[0] https://www.fcc.gov/broadbandlabels

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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by treeman79 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @03:31PM (#35645040)
Same government that pushed the food pyramid? Where you’re encouraged to eat lots of grains. Basically the opposite of a healthy diet.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by Swizec on Thursday April 20, 2023 @03:35PM (#35645097)
Same government that pushed nutritional labeling. Where you can even know whether something does or doesn’t include grains.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by PaulHoule on Thursday April 20, 2023 @03:39PM (#35645165)
I lived in Germany for a year around 1999 and one thing I noticed was that, at the time, European food labels were strikingly uninformative compared to US food labels.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by ipaddr on Thursday April 20, 2023 @04:27PM (#35645818)
I've never seen meat get labelled with animal ate antibiotics. The labeling is useful and useless all at once
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by Swizec on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:06PM (#35646328)
Does imperfect labeling mean we should abolish labeling or push to make it better?
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by red-iron-pine on Friday April 21, 2023 @09:29AM (#35653433)
the libertarian approach: it's not perfect, therefore it shouldn't exist
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by irrational on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:28PM (#35646616)
I've always assumed that if doesn't say there was no antibiotics, then there was.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by cantaloa on Thursday April 20, 2023 @08:39PM (#35648457)
The problem with this meme is that nobody adheres to food guidelines.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8004702/

Nobody eats fruits/veg. Everyone overeats salt/sweets/fat. Nobody hits vegetable/fruit guidelines. Everyone overeats the foods that the guidelines warn against like sweets and processed meat.

This meme comes from people confusing the health-washing of the food industry with what the guidelines actually were.

Because food corps advertised low-fat foods, people think that's what the guidelines said. Because Snackwells made zero-fat cookies, people think these are the grains the guidelines told us to eat.

We'd see improvements in health outcomes if adherence to food guidelines increased.

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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by jxramos on Thursday April 20, 2023 @03:58PM (#35645435)
> computer input devices

Are you saying like having some keyboard and mouse being made out of metal? Maybe ceramics or glass?

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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by leoh on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:13PM (#35646424)
Wow. Ceramic keys sound really nice tbh. Damn.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by ohgodplsno on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:34PM (#35646679)
Until they inevitably shatter as something ever so slightly sharp hits them, that it. Sure hope you're not working with a metal watch.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by leoh on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:57PM (#35646986)
Did you know that the back of the Apple Watch is made from ceramics? There are robust forms — it seems you are not aware.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by ohgodplsno on Friday April 21, 2023 @02:53AM (#35650536)
The back of the Apple watch is also spending most of its time snug against your wrist, or down against a charger, while being relatively thick and uniform. It's not a 60cm wide, 20cm tall target for anything that falls on your desk, it's not made of 100 different, tiny little caps that all need to be light enough to not trigger automatically.

The conditions are _slightly_ different, and knowing your apple watch uses ceramics doesn't make you a materials engineer.

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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by leoh on Friday April 21, 2023 @03:45AM (#35650869)
Back of iPhone 13 which is one of the toughest iPhones yet is also ceramic.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by gibspaulding on Thursday April 20, 2023 @04:01PM (#35645463)
> computer input devices.

Is this a wishlist item or something you've actually found? I wasn't aware of any non-plastic computer mice or keycaps.

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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by Arrath on Thursday April 20, 2023 @04:07PM (#35645555)
With the popularity of DIY mechanical keyboards I have to imagine that at some point some dedicated individual(/crazy person) has machined individual keycaps from stainless or aluminum.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by someotherperson on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:15PM (#35646452)
There are titanium, steel and zinc anode keycaps floating around. I know because I've owned some for about a decade :)

You can probably replace every component on a keyboard, today, with metal with the exceptions being limited to the switches and PCB.

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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by gtop3 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @05:55PM (#35646953)
I've reduced, not eliminated. Custom keyboard, titanium case and wooden keycaps. Plastic still in switches, wires, and pcb. Normal mouse, I've tried alternatives but nothing fits my expectation.
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Re:Weight loss relapse associated with exposure to perfluoro... by gibspaulding on Thursday April 20, 2023 @07:19PM (#35647838)
I suppose I should have known the costom keyboard community would provide on that front! Wood keycaps sound nice, I will have to look into that.
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