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Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by mafribe on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:40AM (#35641778)
Huawei's lead in 5G is well-documented, e.g. [1]. I left the 5G consultancy space in about 2021, but at the time Huawei was the only company that managed to put a CPU and a 5G modem on a single chip. As far as I am aware Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung and MediaTek can also do this in 2023. I'm already not sure if Intel can do this as of April 2023.

Your points (1, 2) have nothing to do with what I have written, why do you side-track the conversation?

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-break...

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by cscurmudgeon on Thursday April 20, 2023 @01:26PM (#35643263)
> Huawei's lead in 5G is well-documented

Well documented in Wired, lol! I would settle for just one peer-reviewed article in a reputed journal.

> backdoors intended for law enforcement

Which law enforcement? Chinese? When did Chinese law become global law?

> Your points (1, 2) have nothing to do with what I have written, why do you side-track the conversation?

They are relevant. They are about companies banning other companies with superior tech by buddying up with the govt.. Claims of sidetracking are usually surfaced when there is no viable defense.

Not to mention, Huawei was caught with its pants down stealing code from Cisco.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/13/chinese-company-huawe...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000

https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-c...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/13/us-charges-huawei-w...

So how much of this "superior" tech is due to stealing and not putting in the cost for that development?

I could go on, but at this point I will be convincing only neutral rational observers.

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by mafribe on Saturday April 22, 2023 @08:59AM (#35666193)
> just one peer-reviewed article in a reputed journal.

You are upping the ante! Shouldn't a good leader lead by example? Where is your verifiable evidence of Huawei backdoors? I am working and publish in computer security, I am able to verify backdoors personally. Can you point me to such code?

Anyway, in addition to user "froh"'s points in a sibling post, here are more examples of Huawei technical leadership:

(1) An important NLP benchmark where Huawei is essentially as good as Microsoft and Google.

https://gluebenchmark.com/leaderboard/

(2) Here is insight about who contributes to the Linux kernel:

https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/

(3) Here is a best-paper award at a top conference.

- Paper https://people.mpi-sws.org/~viktor/papers/asplos2021-vsync.p...

- Award https://twitter.com/ASPLOSConf/status/1384162699920044047

> When did Chinese law become global law?

When did US law become global law? The point is: any telecom gear provider that wants to sell telecom gear in the EU or US is required to add law enforcement backdoors.

> Huawei was caught with its pants down stealing code from Cisco.

Like most companies in developing countries, they started out making knock-off gear. Over 3 decades they went from copying other people's ideas to world leadership in 5G. Congratulations!

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by silisili on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:43PM (#35649619)
IIRC, Qualcomm integrated the 5G modem in the 888, which was released in 2020.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by mafribe on Saturday April 22, 2023 @08:47AM (#35666094)
I think the 888 was announced in December 2020, I don't recall at what time it was available in significant numbers.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by silisili on Saturday April 22, 2023 @12:31PM (#35668230)
The Mi11 used it in December 2020. The S21 series used it in Jan 21.
Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by mafribe on Saturday April 22, 2023 @02:38PM (#35669629)
Interesting, thanks. I didn't realise that it was already in 2020.

IIRC, Huawei announced its first SoC with integrated 5G modem, the Kirin 990 [1], in September 2019. The Kirin 990 5G was featured in Huawei's flagship smartphone, the Mate 30, which was launched in the same month. So Huawei was only 1 year ahead of Qualcomm on the consumer side.

[1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/HiSilicon-Kirin-990-5G-SoC-Ben...

Re:Seagate hit with $300M penalty for selling sanctioned sto... by silisili on Saturday April 22, 2023 @04:23PM (#35670575)
Likewise - I didn't realize Huawei did it a full year earlier. I wonder if it was a power hungry dog like the qcom...