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Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by stephc_int13 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:55AM (#35639955)
Seeing that much SpaceX employees cheering after the explosion was kind of strange.

OK this is not complete failure, but this is still a failure. Things did not go according to plans.

I understand the need for PR and damage control, but I am not comfortable with it, this is not a success, this is work in progress and so far this launcher is unproven.

Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by xeromal on Thursday April 20, 2023 @09:58AM (#35640023)
This is assuming a strategy that aligns with your values. SpaceX has been made successful with their strategy. Look at their entire history of explosions and see that every major issue like this has taught them well. They are eating EVERYONE's lunch
Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by Gwypaas on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:14AM (#35640299)
"How to not land an orbital rocket booster" - https://youtu.be/bvim4rsNHkQ
Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by xeromal on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:18AM (#35640365)
I love this video
Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by magpi3 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:00AM (#35640043)
I say this only half-jokingly: think of the satisfaction you feel when a challenging piece of code finally compiles. You know there is a lot of debugging ahead, but progress is progress.
Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by zachruss92 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:10AM (#35640219)
This is an excellent analogy.
Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by valine on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:01AM (#35640071)
Not blowing up on the pad is a huge success. The rocket got past max-q, and they’ve proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that 33 engines can work together on one booster. I remember a couple years ago when folks like you were confident that it was impossible to run that many engines simultaneously.
Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by spacemark on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:05AM (#35640129)
That's really not how engineering tests work - the objectives of the test were met, by definition that's a success. Not achieving stretch goals doesn't make it a failure.

Of course it's a work in progress and the launcher is unproven. But damn, that was an amazing first attempt. With more vehicles already in integration, I have little doubt they'll eventually nail this.

Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by zachruss92 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:09AM (#35640209)
Having the culmination of your work for the past several years actually culminate in a test flight is definitely a thing to celebrate in my opinion. The test flight is a ... test ... of a hypothesis that this system will make it to space (technically not orbit this flight).

Even with the failure they undoubtedly gathered loads of metrics to address for their next attempt.

The promise of Starship will lower the financial and logistical barriers of getting to space significantly which has the potential to open our civilization to tons of new possibilities that we haven't even considered yet.

Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by stephc_int13 on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:18AM (#35640373)
Launching rockets is very hard, clearly, and this one is quite big.

At this point, I don't believe Elon Musk words, I think the guy is not "fully there", unfortunately, I've heard too much bullshit.

I also think that some of the best rocket engineers on the planet are working at SpaceX and that they could achieve their mission, but I'll fully believe it when it is done.

I hope that Elon ego will not ruin this.

Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by guardian5x on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:06AM (#35640150)
It was a test, an experiment. The outcome gave them lots of valuable data. They all knew the likelihood of it failing was very high, so its nice to have it work better than expected.
Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by kiba on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:02AM (#35640082)
It is a success. They cleared the tower and able to collect data to do course correction.

Failure is not being able to finish development of starship within a reasonable time period. This is just an iteration.

Re:Starship Flight Test (Launch in 3 hours) by 0zemp1c on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:02AM (#35640089)
> but I am not comfortable with it, this is not a success, this is work in progress and so far this launcher is unproven

we need a "middlebrow dismissal" link