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Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by fsckboy on Sunday April 16, 2023 @07:29PM (#35595141)
Just want to reinforce, probably the euro does not, but all US currency contains the phrase "this note legal tender for all debts, public and private" which indicates that the IRS must accept cash, they can't refuse it.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by koolba on Sunday April 16, 2023 @07:56PM (#35595269)
The “private” part of that is not enforceable. Though I’d personally love if it was so I could buy a cup of coffee at an airport in 2023 without using an app or credit card.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by AmericanChopper on Sunday April 16, 2023 @08:06PM (#35595325)
I don’t think buying a cup of coffee counts as paying a debt. Could a private debt collector legally refuse cash? (I’ve always presumed they couldn’t)
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by AlecSchueler on Sunday April 16, 2023 @08:42PM (#35595536)
The debt is created when you order the coffee and they confirm your order.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by function_seven on Sunday April 16, 2023 @09:57PM (#35596037)
No. You don’t owe anything until the coffee is in your hand.

Or until they cancel the transaction.

If you order the coffee, they say “okay that’ll be $2.87”, and you try to pay with cash, they can cancel the order. Poof, no debt.

Now if they drop the check at your table after you’ve enjoyed the cup of coffee, it’s different IMO.

Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by AmericanChopper on Sunday April 16, 2023 @10:08PM (#35596120)
But if they made it clear at the time of ordering that they didn’t accept cash, then a customer who orders knowing that’s the only payment medium they have would presumably be the one breaching the contract when they weren’t able to pay? I guess the remedy to that would be to create a debt, but I’d also presume that could also include any other damages incurred by the coffee vendor for facilitating the cash payment.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by AlecSchueler on Monday April 17, 2023 @06:52AM (#35599031)
The debt doesn't vanish, you've just transferred it back to the company. They aren't making coffee without cost.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by CleaveIt2Beaver on Monday April 17, 2023 @09:28AM (#35600355)
They're free to waive your debt rather than accept payment.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by AlecSchueler on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:09AM (#35600913)
No, the debt is still there as they've paid for the beans, staff, processing etc.

They'd temporarily moved their debt onto you and now had to accept it back again. But it hasn't gone away.

Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by pixl97 on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:35PM (#35603896)
Yes it is gone, it's considered a loss.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by fsckboy on Sunday April 16, 2023 @10:32PM (#35596257)
yes, the private part of that is enforceable, but it says "debt". So, a retailer can say "no cash" but if you somehow are in debt to a retailer (say for example that you already ate the meal at the restaurant), you are allowed to settle your debt with cash, all debts, public and private. If they try take you to court or try to press charges, if you're waving cash, they are out of luck.
Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by makeitdouble on Monday April 17, 2023 @04:31AM (#35598134)
Aren't there safeguards around that notion ?

For instance, someone should probably be barred from paying a personal debt of 1000 dollars in 1 cent coins. I couldn't google my way through the US code, for illustration this is the Singapore limits:

https://www.mas.gov.sg/currency/circulation-currency/accepti...

Unsurprisingly France also has rules on what limits can be set on accepting cash:

https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F10999#...).

Re:One economist went on a long whimsical journey to pay his... by pixl97 on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:34PM (#35603885)
I have a family member that works for a county court and they've had court ordered payments paid with a wheelbarrow of pennies before. Made the person count out the entire thing before accepting it.