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Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by neurostimulant on Sunday April 16, 2023 @03:38PM (#35593562)
Now that my ISP bundles Netflix subscription into their internet plans, access to netflix and fast.com now practically saturate the fiber link, while before it was outright blocked. Hooray for no net neutrality I guess.

When netflix IPs was blocked by this ISP, it's pretty much impossible to use netflix because the only way to get around the block was to use VPN, but netflix itself blocks VPN access.

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by solarpunk on Sunday April 16, 2023 @03:45PM (#35593620)
I'm curious where you live and what provider does this weird Netflix reselling practice.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by neurostimulant on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:19AM (#35597102)
Streaming services do this all the time in Asia. Instead of paying with credit card, you pay via your carrier/ISP, sometimes at discounted pricing. I paid Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime and Zoom this way.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by callahad on Monday April 17, 2023 @03:02AM (#35597577)
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by happymellon on Sunday April 16, 2023 @03:49PM (#35593657)
> Hooray for no net neutrality I guess

Surely it would essentially saturate your fibre if there was net neutrality, unless you don't pay for full fibre speeds?

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by tpxl on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:02PM (#35593764)
Parent was being facetious.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by bee_rider on Sunday April 16, 2023 @03:49PM (#35593658)
What is the internet anyway? Are there truth in advertising issues around selling internet access with excessive filtering?
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by patmcc on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:16PM (#35593872)
Your ISP entirely blocked netflix? That's incredible shitty.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by dhosek on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:28PM (#35593976)
Early in the pandemic, I spent a while without wired internet using a wireless hotspot from the library which would not connect to Netflix but any other streaming video service was fine. I forget who the wireless vendor behind the hotspot was—I think it might have been Verizon.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by kerkeslager on Sunday April 16, 2023 @10:42PM (#35596315)
So there's a bit of a weird fact about public libraries, which is that it probably wasn't on the normal internet (Internet1) but was in fact on Internet2 (see [1]).

Internet2 is used by hospitals, among other things, and as such has higher robustness requirements than Internet1. The pandemic created much higher demand for bandwidth from hospitals, forcing Internet2 providers to scramble to keep up in areas. As such, blocking high-bandwidth sites which are clearly lower priority than medical traffic might have actually been a reasonable move.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet2

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by riceart on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:16PM (#35596500)
Not quite sure I understand - what do hospitals need a ton of bandwidth for? Why would those bandwidth requirements rise significantly during the pandemic. Sure there were a bunch of people on vents in the MICU, but pretty much every elective procedural service plummeted.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by uni_rule on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:22PM (#35596533)
I'd imagine telehealth played a fairly large roll. White crispy video calls are not that demanding individually 10s to 100s of them at scale per location (and an exponential increase of calls in general) might be something more of a problem for that sort of infrastructure.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by riceart on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:40PM (#35596619)
There are very few medical centers where there are 100s of simultaneous clinic visits. During the pandemic a lot of providers did home telehealth. Even 100s of simultaneous telemedicine visits don’t take much bandwidth compared to HD video streaming.

It might have been difficult relative to the infrastructure at some hospitals - but that is to my point that hospitals in general are not very demanding bandwidth wise and I would be a bit surprised they’re more than a rounding error on the Internet2 in general - especially compared to all the academic research involving large models and just video streaming in general that blew up during the pandemic.

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by inportb on Monday April 17, 2023 @12:44AM (#35596924)
Other than telehealth, we also use the bandwidth for remote desktops/apps and lossless high-resolution radiographic images. While one might expect this traffic to occur over local networks, many hospitals have multiple sites and partnerships that are connected over the internet. So, for example, one might operate the hospital's apps while sitting in the library at the affiliated university.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by riceart on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:20AM (#35597108)
I’m aware. But these arent particularly bandwidth intensive (compared to 4K HDR video and the like). How many gigabytes of lossless DICOM is one usually pulling over the course of a day.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by riceart on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:13AM (#35600978)
> So, for example, one might operate the hospital's apps while sitting in the library at the affiliated university.

Remote Desktop and even PACS are not huge bandwidth consumers in this day and age of 4K streaming. At my large academic institution usually only the radiologists use the PACS client directly on workstations - all the other clinicians are using a “zero footprint” viewer over Citrix like everything else.

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by inportb on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @12:31PM (#35630189)
That "zero footprint" viewer over Citrix is susprisingly resource-intensive, even at 1080p with lossy compression. If everyone used it (say, if every workstation were a Citrix client), it quickly adds up. During peak hours, it positively chugs. Not sure if networking or compute is the bottleneck here. Perhaps you're right: some institutions have not caught up to this day and age of 4K streaming, and their pre-Netflix infrastructure is buckling under the weight of all these Citrix streams.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by riceart on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @09:40PM (#35635384)
At my current institution the bottleneck is compute - Epic slows to a crawl midday no matter off prem or on. And unfortunately the only constant is academic healthcare IT is a trash fire.

> If everyone used it

Like many large facilities I’ve been in the US, the EMR and PACS viewer (for non rads) are often over Citrix (ie every workstation is a Citrix client). But how many people are simultaneously viewing images - it’s only a minority of users (both in general - the ancillary staff is not) and at any given time (most clinicians are not viewing images at any moment)

This is a large university affiliated center - the bandwidth used by the medical center is a drop in the bucket compared to the size of the pipes they (the uni) have.

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by bluedino on Monday April 17, 2023 @08:29AM (#35599719)
I've worked at two hospitals. Both of them "had" Internet2. I was excited, as I had not heard about it in ~20 years.

Neither of them actually ran any traffic over it.

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by baby on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:20PM (#35594795)
Heh, just revert back to pirating. That’s what I do whenever things don’t work.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by BLKNSLVR on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:29PM (#35596573)
From the above thread it looks as if piracy might actually be a more bandwidth economical option than streaming services. Spread the load of the bandwidth around a bit more. Download any time other than peak streaming hours to then watch, self-contained, during peak streaming hours.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by mr_toad on Monday April 17, 2023 @03:41AM (#35597818)
Plus you can rewatch without downloading again. And use sneakernets for sharing with your friends.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by froggit on Monday April 17, 2023 @04:59AM (#35598302)
I've always disliked how wasteful streaming is in respect bandwidth consumption. However, the "efficiency be damned, just make it fasterer" attitude towards bandwidth is, if not the biggest, then definitely among the biggest, drivers behind the ever increasing internet throughput.

Thinking about it, it seems like watching habits could make streaming be more or less "efficient" compared to downloading once and storing it locally (depends on how one chooses to calculate efficiency tbh).

People that have things they regularly re-watch are obviously gonna benefit from having a local copy they can access entirely on their own terms.

It hadn't occurred to me until recently, but the way I watch stuff has me going through a pretty large amount of data yet I'm also excessively unlikely I re-watch nearly anything that I've seen in the previous 2 years. Whether something is streamed or stored local, it has to be downloaded the first time it's watched. If it'll take 2 years before I re-watch something, it's a waste of time and money to keep a backlog of multiple disks worth of video

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by AlecSchueler on Monday April 17, 2023 @07:54AM (#35599431)
With music it's quite different though, I often have the same albums on rotation and it's great to be able to cache them all locally.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by SpaghettiJimmy on Monday April 17, 2023 @02:15PM (#35604400)
Couldn't agree more. I've stopped paying to stream music entirely and now pay to own FLAC files which I store and use on my PC and phone. Almost like regressing back to having an iPod, and I personally love it.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by winternett on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @03:58AM (#35611245)
I never gave up my music files, and never will trust service providers enough to do so.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by DontchaKnowit on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @03:21PM (#35618729)
Huh. I typically watch the same thing over and over repeatedly for like a year or more.

Very wasteful if I did much streaming.

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by Spooky23 on Sunday April 16, 2023 @10:38PM (#35596292)
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Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by dspillett on Sunday April 16, 2023 @05:05PM (#35594261)
> Now that my ISP bundles Netflix subscription into their internet plans, access to netflix and fast.com now practically saturate the fiber link

They may have an ISP-local netflix cache, from Netflix themselves not some home-grown hack, so they can achieve that with some reliability without it costing as much as it otherwise would for bandwidth peering.

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by tiedieconderoga on Sunday April 16, 2023 @09:30PM (#35595856)
Netflix distributes "red boxes" to ISPs which are exactly that: edge content caches.

(PDF): https://openconnect.netflix.com/Open-Connect-Briefing-Paper....

Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by noobcoder on Monday April 17, 2023 @12:05AM (#35596739)
Mine did the same and charged for bundles of HBO Max, Netflix, Disney+ Until recently they reverted it after bunch of complains and tonnes of people changing their ISP
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by pratnala on Monday April 17, 2023 @02:49AM (#35597501)
Netflix blocks datacenter VPNs but you can use residential VPNs (which tbf are more expensive) to circumvent this.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by postdb on Monday April 17, 2023 @08:50AM (#35599896)
hmmm, IMHO, traffic for video and everything else ought to separated into 2 classes. Video obvious takes much much more bandwidth than other stuff. It would be good to allow none video, smaller assets that are needed to to make a website function to have priority over video files.
Re:AT&T Wireless traffic shaping apparently making some webs... by postdb on Monday April 17, 2023 @08:52AM (#35599912)
BTW, AT&T has terrible records for dropping customer's traffic and also email without warning or notices to their customers. Why such terrible company is around amazing how corporation don't really survive by merit in our current world.