Re:Korean as a Concatenative, Stack-Oriented Language
by hydrok9 on Sunday April 16, 2023 @02:09PM
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In English you could say I am FOR salmon though!
Re:Korean as a Concatenative, Stack-Oriented Language
by LudwigNagasena on Sunday April 16, 2023 @03:58PM
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Isn't 난 just 나 (I) + ㄴ (topic marker)? So it seems like 난 라면 should be translated more or less as "As for me, ramen" and 난 프랑스 as "As for me, France".
Re:Korean as a Concatenative, Stack-Oriented Language
by yongjik on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:22PM
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You are absolutely correct - I oversimplified. On the other hand, nobody says "As for me, ramen" in English (it's not even shorter than "I'll have ramen"), so there's that.
Re:Korean as a Concatenative, Stack-Oriented Language
by creamyhorror on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:03PM
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You could just say "Ramen", "Ramen for me", "I want ramen", or maybe even "Me, ramen". But I get your point - it's more common in English to use a longer sentence. The same thing is pointed out about Japanese too - "watashi wa ramen" for "As for me, ramen" - it has the same topic-comment structure as Korean.
Re:Korean as a Concatenative, Stack-Oriented Language
by l3000 on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:03PM
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I may want to add that as a person who had a lot of exposure to Korean (but is not native). Directly translating for instance “나는 라면” with the example context you mentioned, feels like „in my case, Ramen“. The 는/은 is describing the 나 in a way that is contrasting whatever was said in the current context. It is certainly used for saying something that is different from the other. „Well in MY case, it is …“, but it may work for other cases too, I am not totally sure.
One can say something like 난 라면 - literally "I am ramen" (or something like that - it's a bit fuzzy because the "be" verb is omitted). It would be a ridiculous sentence by itself, but if your friend just asked "I'll have noodles, how about you?" then it's a perfectly fine response.
Similarly you could even say 난 프랑스 ("I am France") if the question was "I visited New York this summer, it was really nice, did you go somewhere?"